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| From | Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.os.linux.misc, alt.comp.os.windows-11, alt.folklore.computers |
| Subject | Present at the Creation (Re: The "Standards" Game) |
| Followup-To | alt.folklore.computers |
| Date | 2025-08-25 13:03 +0000 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <slrn10aonp0.v6n4.lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> (permalink) |
| References | (16 earlier) <eYScnSdXZ61SzjT1nZ2dnZfqn_ednZ2d@giganews.com> <TmnqQ.613437$xyt3.456144@fx15.iad> <ijmdnXXgrZm_WTf1nZ2dnZfqnPGdnZ2d@giganews.com> <slrn10anl5r.ouk6.lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> <108hf2o$3bl64$8@dont-email.me> |
Cross-posted to 3 groups.
Followups directed to: alt.folklore.computers
On 25/08/2025 04:12, Lars Poulsen wrote: >> The academics building the Internet did not participate in this process, >> but the engineers doing the work went and swapped ideas, and once they >> had working code, published open standards before patents could be >> filed. We all know how this outcompeted the ITU and IEEE standards. On 2025-08-25, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > Indeed we did, Interop and all that lark 'My telnet client wont talk to > your telnet server, why is that? let's put a packet monitor on and see' > > 'Oh, well that's not illegal, but my also not illegal code barfs on it. > Let's think of the simplest standard addition that we can both adhere to > to get stuff working' > > Fun days. For a few years in the early 1990s, I went to the IETF meetings. Very busy events, with 8-12 tracks of working group meetings. When they got to 2000 participants, it became really unwieldy. The best times were the late night sessions in the Hyatt atriums, when the NSA guys and the NASA guys were playing Global Thermonuclear War surrounded by a large group watching. In then there were the PPP plugfests. For years, I kept a T-shirt that said "I can PPP". And someone from PacBell pointed out the woman who was the real life inspiration for "Alice" in Dilbert. Some of the people were truly amazing. Some weird shit was happening behind the scenes. A guy in Finland built an anonymous remailer (double-blind). Many government agencies did not like it, but could not persuade the Finns to stop it. Eventually Milo told the network people at Helsinki University, that if they did not get him out, Finland would disappear from the Internet. 24 hours later that particular problem was gone - permanently. -- Lars P
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Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-22 11:26 +0100
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Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-22 19:41 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-22 12:02 +0200
Re: OS Support for old, cheap hardware ... Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-08-23 21:21 +0000
Re: OS Support for old, cheap hardware ... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-24 11:23 +0100
Re: OS Support for old, cheap hardware ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-24 23:37 +0200
Re: OS Support for old, cheap hardware ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-24 15:18 +0200
Re: OS Support for old, cheap hardware ... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-24 16:58 +0100
Re: OS Support for old, cheap hardware ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-24 23:37 +0200
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-22 11:22 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-08-22 10:47 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-22 19:39 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-22 19:23 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-23 01:38 -0400
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Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-24 03:49 -0400
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Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-25 11:48 +0100
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