Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: "Carlos E.R." Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.defense Subject: Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2025 13:36:29 +0200 Lines: 111 Message-ID: References: <106mke5$1di32$1@dont-email.me> <106ukm1$35g8p$3@toylet.eternal-september.org> <106v67a$1cgol$1@news1.tnib.de> <106vfvv$3bpmd$1@toylet.eternal-september.org> <106vi4r$3c9cr$2@dont-email.me> <3ihcmlx47d.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> <1070cqj$3jkmu$1@dont-email.me> <1071hu3$1idk1$1@news1.tnib.de> <9fjemlxbio.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> <6jefmlxb6j.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> <10884l7$173em$1@dont-email.me> <1088lbg$1agt7$1@dont-email.me> <9aadne5uMN4JgTX1nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@giganews.com> <108eosa$2n9v5$13@dont-email.me> <5rcsnlxki6.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> <108hemb$3bl64$6@dont-email.me> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net Mfpwu5FgnNq9ZIevAhfaMQYbLuULpPHcKeB2ZT3OR1EGhdV9mb X-Orig-Path: Telcontar.valinor!not-for-mail Cancel-Lock: sha1:M0osnYq/AbKG+EUjl2bdnx+Tbdg= sha256:eUI18p+/RSU5HK+VEl98IHizG0+FpMk8SseT8ipZ6/0= User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Content-Language: es-ES, en-CA In-Reply-To: <108hemb$3bl64$6@dont-email.me> Xref: csiph.com comp.os.linux.misc:72247 alt.comp.os.windows-11:22933 On 2025-08-25 12:42, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 24/08/2025 22:29, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2025-08-24 12:17, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> On 23/08/2025 22:15, Lars Poulsen wrote: >>>> On Sat, 23 Aug 2025 04:07:36 -0400, c186282 wrote: >>>>>>     Hypersonics + AI drones ... the likely, NEAR, maybe immediate, >>>>>> future >>>>>>     of "defense". Bombers, tanks, subs, >>>>>>     ICBMs, carriers - just forget it ...  all Yesterday's Solutions. >>>> >>>> On 2025-08-23, rbowman wrote: >>>>> https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/us-navy-drone-efforts-arent- >>>>> going- >>>>> well-neither-are-chinas-ps-082225 >>>>> >>>>> Maybe... >>>>> >>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zClEHMU8W_4 >>>>> >>>>> The Thresher incident might have been swept under the carpet but there >>>>> were a number of civilian ride-alongs from the Portsmouth Naval >>>>> Shipyard >>>>> that had worked on the project and were being rewarded. >>>>> >>>>> Christa McAuliffe was also a New Hampshire teacher who was a ride- >>>>> along on >>>>> the Challenger. Somehow New Hampshire is suspicious of the government >>>>> bearing gifts. Or at least it was. >>>>> >>>>> Maybe someday it will be a War of the Drones but ultimately it will be >>>>> boots on the ground as it has been for millennia. >>>> >>>> What I see in the Ukraine reports is that >>>> - tanks do not to well to take and hold urban and suburban areas >>>>    because civialian/reserve/guerillas have agility >>> >>> Tanks do not do well at all. A drone can easily take out a tank - >>> especially a Soviet era tank >>> >>>> - tanks do well in open farmland, >>> >>> Not if its littered with mines. Or if there is any kind of anti tank >>> weaponry on the other side. Hand held anti-tank munitions, drones, >>> mines...the Ukrainians do better with the Bradleys  - fast >>> manoeuvrable and with care the cannon can disable a tanks eyes and >>> ears...and infantry can be deployed. >>> >>>>    but if forces are close to evenly >>>>    matched, the game shifts to who has or can ret (by resupply) the >>>> most >>>>    ammunition >>> And that is why Ukraine is winning. They don't have the men on the >>> ground but the quantity or long range fires they  now have is >>> dismantling Russia refinery by railway by bridge by ammunition factory. >>> >>> Water, gasoline, electricity - these are now all very scarce indeed, >>> Inflation is rampant and bank accounts are closed. >>> >>>> - smart and well-trained boots on the ground of their homeland can >>>>    inflict heavy losses on poorly trained invaders >>> >>> That is the equation. Let Russia come, and take 5:1 casualties in >>> exchange fir a few villages that have been shelled to ruins already, >>> while spending all the time sniping away with long range drones and >>> missiles. >>> Ukraine isn't winning ground, but that's not where the war is. It's >>> winning the battle of the supply lines. >> >> The problem is Trump. >> > Actually, I think that he is less and less a problem. I was meaning this: «Trump has misunderstood what Putin told him, and that is a problem for the Russian president. Now he either has to make the concessions that Trump has told the world about, or he will have to disappoint the American president. I discuss whether this is a negotiation tactic or just Trump not understanding the issues. In either case, the concessions that Trump is talking about can become a starting point for future negotiations.» > > Having shaken up the arms supply industry on account of not letting US > made weapons or components thereof fall on Russian soil, basically > European nations have said 'OK, then let's help Ukraine build its *own* > missiles'. > > The latest Ukrainian Flamingo missile bears a remarkable resemblance to > one made by IIRC a British company. 2000 mile range, jet powered cruise > missile. With a one ton warhead and a circular accuracy of 35 metres. Yes, I read about that. > They already make their own 'shahed' style drones capable of doing > extreme unpleasantness to oil refineries. > > Trump we now understand is a senile old blowhard who likes nothing more > than flattery which costs is nothing, except cash in his bank account. > > Meanwhile we get on with life without America, which is much simpler. > > Trump has no cards left to play. He may try to force a peace treaty favouring Putin instead of reality. -- Cheers, Carlos.