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Re: Batteries and mains, going solo.

From "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.misc, alt.comp.os.windows-11
Subject Re: Batteries and mains, going solo.
Date 2025-09-10 14:18 +0200
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On 2025-09-10 14:14, Daniel70 wrote:
> On 9/09/2025 7:17 am, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2025-09-07 16:00, Daniel70 wrote:
>>> On 6/09/2025 11:41 pm, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>> On 2025-09-06 14:41, Daniel70 wrote:
>>>>> On 14/08/2025 11:21 pm, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>
>>> <Snip>
>>>
>>>>>> People were trapped in elevators, and could not phone for rescue. 
>>>>>> Instead they shouted, and neighbours kindly went even on foot to 
>>>>>> the elevator office to ask for help instead.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not demanding anything, just stating a proven fact.
>>>>>>
>>>>> By-the-by, I have Solar Panels and a Solar Battery on this house. 
>>>>> If the Mains is available (something for the Battery Circuitry to 
>>>>> reference) and the Batteries are charged, the Battery can supply 
>>>>> power.
>>>>>
>>>>> If the Batteries ARE charged but there's no Main reference, the 
>>>>> Batteries do bugger all!! There's $10,000 down the tube!!
>>>>
>>>> Yes, but that's a fault of your firmware and hardware. Very common 
>>>> failure; many houses in Spain discovered that as well. The system 
>>>> just needs to disconnect from mains and go solo. It is possible and 
>>>> has an extra price.
>>>>
>>> Yeap, "It is possible and has an extra price."
>>>
>>> When my system 'died' I contacted the Suppliers/Installers to find 
>>> out what went wrong and they said nothing was wrong, that's how the 
>>> system was supposed to work.
>>>
>>> HOWEVER, for a mere $1400 (I think) they could sell you a box that 
>>> you could connect to the battery that would allow you to draw up to 
>>> 1kW from the Battery (without any Mains reference) whilst it held 
>>> charge .... you know, for use in Life and Death situations.
>>
>> Only 1 KW? How big are your batteries?
>>
>> I think you can simply:
>>
>>    - Disconnect from the mains with a manual switch
>>    - Keep a bulb connected to outside to find out when electricity 
>> comes back.
>>    - Connect your batteries to a suitable inverter, and connect the 
>> output to the inner side of the big house switch.
>>
>> Anyone having a solar independent installation, not connected to the 
>> mains, does that.
>>
>>
>> Having batteries and not being able to go solo when needed has a 
>> stupid system. Not saying he is stupid, but that he was tricked by the 
>> seller of the system.
>>
> Well, when I asked why my Battery didn't supply power when the Mains 
> failed even though the Battery held some power, it did seem to make 
> sense that the System needed something to reference to maintain the 50Hz 
> Frequency and also to maintain the 240V RMS Supply Voltage.
> 
> If the T.V., Washing Machine and this Computer didn't need the Supply 
> Frequency and/or Supply Voltage to be ROCK SOLID, then yes, things could 
> work.


No. An inverter doesn't need any reference to generate mains voltage at 
the exact voltage and frequency.

The problem is that you must ensure that you do not feed power to your 
neighbours.



-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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