Re: Gparted questions

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From	"26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noaada.net>
Date	2023-02-02 00:17 -0500
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On 2/1/23 11:01 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2023-02-02, 26C.Z968 <26C.Z968@noaada.net> wrote:
> 
>> On 2/1/23 1:03 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>>> On 2023-02-01, 26C.Z968 <26C.Z968@noaada.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>      Though insider rumors are that MicroSquish is going down the same,
>>>>      sane, path as Apple ... ie converting more and more to a Linux/Unix
>>>>      underlying system ... they are disguising this and you won't really
>>>>      see anything Linux-ish for quite awhile. Winders is a HORRIBLE OS,
>>>>      packed full of 30 years of fix-ups, compromises and vulnerabilities.
>>>
>>> More than 40 years if you include the cruft it inherited from MS-DOS.
>>> Their quality standard is "Sort of works, most of the time."
>>
>>     Hmm .. I wonder how much DOS is *still* in Win-11 ? How much CP/M
>>     was in DOS for that matter ?
> 
> One of my pet peeves goes all the way back to CP/M.  The CP/M file
> system only stored the size of a file in 128-byte sectors.  To make
> sure a text file ended in the right place, a hex 1A marker was placed
> at the end of the actual text.  Since the MS-DOS file system (and its
> Windows successors) stores file sizes to the byte, there is not - and
> never was - a need for that hex 1A marker.  But it lives on to this
> day, still causing data lossage.  My programs never write it, and
> remove it whenever they see it.

   I suspect such weirdnesses were carry-overs from older
   systems that might have looked at data - esp on tapes -
   differently than later data on disks. Having a 'definite'
   EOF marker ain't the worst idea even IF the OS stores
   length to the byte. There were lots of kinds of storage
   media in the old days - tapes, cards, drums, even
   mercury-delay lines - and every system or quasi-system
   handled it differently.

   STILL have to use Ctrl-Z to quit Python3 in Linux ....

>>     Some ancient stuff will NEVER go away. When Bill Gates was getting
>>     started there were competitions between programmers to code basic
>>     functions (say times/dates etc) in as few bytes as possible and/or
>>     in as few CPU nanoseconds as possible. This made lots and lots of
>>     little utility routines as optimized as ever possible - and they
>>     still live in *everything*. Working with a very limited CPU/mem
>>     environment does encourage 'tight'/efficient coding.
> 
> Often at the expense of correctness and reliability.

   Um ... no, not necessarily. Might (probably are) SECURITY
   ISSUES these days, but the old code was/is pretty damned
   good. Bill Gates often won those 'contests' - he is a very
   sharp programmer. Unfortunately he was also a very sharp
   business guy without ethical concerns ........

>>     Anyway, Win has become inscrutable, a Gordian knot, something
>>     too complex and self-interactive for anybody, even AI, to really
>>     get a handle on.
> 
> Complexity is a weapon.  (The KISS principle is a countermeasure -
> which explains why it's so widely hated.)

   Yes, complexity CAN be a weapon - and in Win it often seems
   to be used that way. However complexity can also be something
   of an *accident* - patching, re-patching, re-re-patching for
   decades until yer OS is a bowl of spaghetti.

   This is why Win MUST migrate to -IX if it is to survive for
   much longer, even the 'pros' can't deal anymore. The best
   they can do is make the glitches/vulnerabilities look like
   YOUR Fault.

   Well, there ARE other good systems other than -IX based.
   I always liked VMS. Maybe they can buy it and .....

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