Re: Gparted questions

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From	"26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noaada.net>
Date	2023-02-01 22:38 -0500
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On 2/1/23 1:03 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2023-02-01, 26C.Z968 <26C.Z968@noaada.net> wrote:
> 
>>     If you use WINDERS ... well then ... things get uglier. You
>>     can indeed make a "dual boot" drive. Alas Winders thinks it
>>     owns the universe so it has to be installed FIRST and then
>>     you have to SHRINK the Winders partition to make space for
>>     anything else (ControlPanel->Administrative Tools->DiskManagement).
> 
> Beware - Windoze creates a Master File Table (MFT) and places it
> smack in the middle of its partition.  This table is immovable,
> so you can shrink the partition by a maximum of 50%.  Download a
> trial version of PerfectDisk (https://www.raxco.com).  It's capable
> of moving the MFT after a reboot.  The MFT still goes into the
> middle of the shrunken partition, so you might have to repeat the
> process a few times to shrink the partition down to the size you
> want.  (The Win7 partition on this laptop was taking up the entire
> 250GB disk - after a few cycles I got it down to 45GB.)

   "PerfectDisk" hmm ??? Interesting.

   At least with earlier versions of Winders - XP/Vista/7 and
   I *think* 10 - I've had good luck using gparted to shrink
   down the Winders main partition. Can't swear about 10 or
   11 however.

   On the plus, 'disks' are now usually HUGE - so even shrinking
   Winders by 50% leaves way way more than you need for any Linux
   environment(s). You can also upgrade to a larger 'disk' after
   shrinking Winders, making it proportionally smaller just-because.
   2-3tb SSDs are now (kinda) affordable too.

   I've got a box with a Win-10 part on it - but it's only about
   20% of the entire drive. I think I fire up Winders about once
   every three months, mostly just for the updates but it's also
   good to ensure my Python apps are Win+Lin compatible. Other
   langs need to be re-compiled on Win alas. I like CodeBlocks
   for 'C' dev and Lazarus for Pascal GUIs. Easy to move across
   OS's with those tools.

>>     Though insider rumors are that MicroSquish is going down the same,
>>     sane, path as Apple ... ie converting more and more to a Linux/Unix
>>     underlying system ... they are disguising this and you won't really
>>     see anything Linux-ish for quite awhile. Winders is a HORRIBLE OS,
>>     packed full of 30 years of fix-ups, compromises and vulnerabilities.
> 
> More than 40 years if you include the cruft it inherited from MS-DOS.
> Their quality standard is "Sort of works, most of the time."

   Hmm .. I wonder how much DOS is *still* in Win-11 ? How much CP/M
   was in DOS for that matter ?

   Some ancient stuff will NEVER go away. When Bill Gates was getting
   started there were competitions between programmers to code basic
   functions (say times/dates etc) in as few bytes as possible and/or
   in as few CPU nanoseconds as possible. This made lots and lots of
   little utility routines as optimized as ever possible - and they
   still live in *everything*. Working with a very limited CPU/mem
   environment does encourage 'tight'/efficient coding.

   IMHO, "Programming 101" should use naught but Arduino Uno's for
   the first half. That'll teach efficient programming - an oft-
   forgotten virtue (and it'll bring you $$$ if you get into
   embedded/IOT later). And yes, it IS possible to code a TCP
   stack on an Uno - there's a library for it and you can add-on
   a 10/100 networking shield and do a minimal web page (I've
   done it, but it IS really slow). I won't curse todays newbies
   with PIC-12x chips with 128 BYTES of RAM, 1kb of flash and
   SIX usable i/o pins - I'm not THAT mean  :-)

>>     Nobody there understands how it works anymore - they just practice
>>     patch-n-hope. It's a lost cause. Winders WILL become a Linux/Unix
>>     pretty soon for sheer SURVIVAL reasons.
> 
> M$ has had to back away a bit from their constant reboots -
> I think it was interfering with their surveillance efforts.

   Win-11 is the worlds largest and most expensive piece
   of SPYWARE ever.

> A delightful irony is that originally M$ ran their web sites on Apache,
> because it took a while before IIS was ready for prime time.

   Shoulda stuck with Apache ....

   Dunno WHAT runs all their big new O365 cloud stuff - but I'm
   pretty sure those warehouses full of boxes AIN'T running
   Win-Server .....

   Anyway, Win has become inscrutable, a Gordian knot, something
   too complex and self-interactive for anybody, even AI, to really
   get a handle on. Reportedly the last MS guy who could hold it
   all in his head and knew how tweaking 'X' would affect 'Y'
   retired right after they finished Win2k. They HAVE to migrate
   in the same direction as Apple - buy their own little BSD and
   pretty it up so it still looks/feels mostly like Winders,
   but ain't.

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