Re: Gparted questions

Subject	Re: Gparted questions
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From	"26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noaada.net>
Date	2023-02-04 01:48 -0500
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On 2/3/23 8:35 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2023-02-03, 26C.Z968 <26C.Z968@noaada.net> wrote:
> 
>> On 2/2/23 5:48 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>>> I was the first one to mention control-Z (as hex 1a) in the context
>>> of a brain-damaged feature which MS-DOS blindly inherited from CP/M.
>>> Under CP/M it was needed; under MS-DOS it's just cargo-cult programming.
>>
>>     "Cargo cult" ... perhaps an apt description  :-) CP/M did it
>>     and so DOS, pretty much a straight-up CP/M rip-off (just
>>     made 'pip' live), copied it without a thought.
> 
> One thing that MS-DOS didn't inherit, but invented on its own,
> was the COPY command's refusal to copy zero-length files.
> PIP would do it quite happily.

   And SHOULD !

   I often use zero-length files for 'markers' ... the most
   obvious use is "touch". If all you really need is the
   datetime of the touched file, why put any crap IN it ?

>>     OTOH ... there were and still are a lot of systems and file
>>     schemes out there so an "official EOF" char for text files
>>     isn't the worst idea.
> 
> Everybody does it, so it must be good.  Uh-huh.

   To a point that's actually TRUE. Standardization.

   As, as I said, there are LOTS of systems still in use,
   by all means go with the "standard". The OS may or may
   not need that Ctl-Z, but hey, it's ONE byte .....

   I still have a Kaypro-4 and floppies with old but interesting
   stuff on them so, hey, I *might* want to port it back and forth
   tomorrow ......

>>                           CP/M isn't quite dead, variants live
>>     on in the embedded sector and you can still buy brand-X
>>     Z80s ... what if I want to bring a DOS file into it and
>>     there's no Ctl-Z ???
> 
> That depends on the protocol.  There are all sorts of ways to
> determine end of file, including length fields in data blocks.
> What if an incoming data stream suffers a line hit and a byte
> gets corrupted to hex 1A?  Say goodbye to the rest of your data.
> BTDTGTS (been there, done that, got the scars)

   Yes, there are "all sorts of ways" - but Ctl-Z is a really
   really EASY way for text-like files.

>>     I don't remember about Amiga-OS and
>>     BeOS or C64 text files but people DO still use these things
>>     or emulated versions for various reasons.
> 
> I can't speak for BeOS or C64, but the Amiga file system was
> pretty Unixy in that respect.

   Still have a C64 in The Heap somewhere - oughtta fire
   it up sometime. An Apple-II as well ....

   Alas I got into Amiga TOO early, the 1000 series.
   Actually had to split the price between two credit cards.

   There were SO many "Guru Meditations" that I got rid of
   the thing almost immediately. Still had some good features
   mixed-in with all the OS bugs though. Later AOS was much
   more usable apparently and is still much-loved by certain
   cliques. Of course half the Amiga was the nifty graphics
   chips - way above the usual in an IBM-PC universe - and
   while you can emulate them on modern equipment it still
   ain't just quite the same. An "Amiga 2K4" with all-
   modern junk might actually be interesting. Lots of
   ways to "get it done" .....

   "Unixy" goes WAY back ... peruse "OS-9" for example - it
   often brags about being a GOOD Unix that performs well
   with a minimal cpu/mem footprint. Still being sold for
   the embedded market (MicroWare) as a NRT OS. Was kinda
   popular for the RS "CoCo" computers. Would like to see
   somebody expand OS-9 into a modern 64/128 OS. Same goes
   for VMS - geared for international biz over crap modems
   WAY back ....

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