Path: csiph.com!1.us.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feed1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!peer01.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feeder.usenetexpress.com!tr2.iad1.usenetexpress.com!69.80.99.26.MISMATCH!Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-2.nntp.ord.giganews.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2023 05:17:59 +0000 Subject: Re: Gparted questions Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc References: From: "26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noaada.net> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2023 00:17:58 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.13.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: Lines: 76 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.222.41.46 X-Trace: sv3-zkAV2kwoCaIUZAg2spsCQye77uBiTVFIyxQHVnLiZiH7NE90RdGM9Y2i05JBH2yYayBWzsyV8lb0hBM!6ZBBpidohsWx1Aa5Gvz9mZ669j7CqHVnZou9NAqhDjq/TkRigBHLkUbDB9tbctQcjrV6LODLOVgt!HDKNSYBZ+iBD2jkChiI= X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Received-Bytes: 5051 Xref: csiph.com comp.os.linux.misc:36867 On 2/1/23 11:01 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2023-02-02, 26C.Z968 <26C.Z968@noaada.net> wrote: > >> On 2/1/23 1:03 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> >>> On 2023-02-01, 26C.Z968 <26C.Z968@noaada.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Though insider rumors are that MicroSquish is going down the same, >>>> sane, path as Apple ... ie converting more and more to a Linux/Unix >>>> underlying system ... they are disguising this and you won't really >>>> see anything Linux-ish for quite awhile. Winders is a HORRIBLE OS, >>>> packed full of 30 years of fix-ups, compromises and vulnerabilities. >>> >>> More than 40 years if you include the cruft it inherited from MS-DOS. >>> Their quality standard is "Sort of works, most of the time." >> >> Hmm .. I wonder how much DOS is *still* in Win-11 ? How much CP/M >> was in DOS for that matter ? > > One of my pet peeves goes all the way back to CP/M. The CP/M file > system only stored the size of a file in 128-byte sectors. To make > sure a text file ended in the right place, a hex 1A marker was placed > at the end of the actual text. Since the MS-DOS file system (and its > Windows successors) stores file sizes to the byte, there is not - and > never was - a need for that hex 1A marker. But it lives on to this > day, still causing data lossage. My programs never write it, and > remove it whenever they see it. I suspect such weirdnesses were carry-overs from older systems that might have looked at data - esp on tapes - differently than later data on disks. Having a 'definite' EOF marker ain't the worst idea even IF the OS stores length to the byte. There were lots of kinds of storage media in the old days - tapes, cards, drums, even mercury-delay lines - and every system or quasi-system handled it differently. STILL have to use Ctrl-Z to quit Python3 in Linux .... >> Some ancient stuff will NEVER go away. When Bill Gates was getting >> started there were competitions between programmers to code basic >> functions (say times/dates etc) in as few bytes as possible and/or >> in as few CPU nanoseconds as possible. This made lots and lots of >> little utility routines as optimized as ever possible - and they >> still live in *everything*. Working with a very limited CPU/mem >> environment does encourage 'tight'/efficient coding. > > Often at the expense of correctness and reliability. Um ... no, not necessarily. Might (probably are) SECURITY ISSUES these days, but the old code was/is pretty damned good. Bill Gates often won those 'contests' - he is a very sharp programmer. Unfortunately he was also a very sharp business guy without ethical concerns ........ >> Anyway, Win has become inscrutable, a Gordian knot, something >> too complex and self-interactive for anybody, even AI, to really >> get a handle on. > > Complexity is a weapon. (The KISS principle is a countermeasure - > which explains why it's so widely hated.) Yes, complexity CAN be a weapon - and in Win it often seems to be used that way. However complexity can also be something of an *accident* - patching, re-patching, re-re-patching for decades until yer OS is a bowl of spaghetti. This is why Win MUST migrate to -IX if it is to survive for much longer, even the 'pros' can't deal anymore. The best they can do is make the glitches/vulnerabilities look like YOUR Fault. Well, there ARE other good systems other than -IX based. I always liked VMS. Maybe they can buy it and .....