Re: My Dinner With Marc Andreessen

From	vallor <vallor@cultnix.org>
Newsgroups	comp.misc
Subject	Re: My Dinner With Marc Andreessen
Date	2024-07-08 21:50 +0000
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On Mon, 8 Jul 2024 12:22:16 +0200, D <nospam@example.net> wrote in
<1da9000c-47f2-06ff-3bab-9ebad5d2e6ba@example.net>:

> On Mon, 8 Jul 2024, vallor wrote:
> 
>> On Sun, 7 Jul 2024 12:31:05 +0200, D <nospam@example.net> wrote in
>> <7896d979-7348-9c9c-d5a1-db664baa32fc@example.net>:
>>
>>> As for the natural state of the system in a free market, it is not
>>> oligopoly. It is a diverse set of millions and millions of companies.
>>> One company governing all of earth would collapse the same way as big
>>> governments (and I'm thinking world government) collapses due to
>>> inefficient organization.
>>>
>>> The free market is self organizing and decentralised, and that is the
>>> natural state of it, without government creating and helping the
>>> behemoths we have today.
>>
>> We should also do away with referees on soccer pitches, because the 
games
>> will self organize.
> 
> You have never played football without a judge? I've played plento of 
> self-organized football games. Some games self-organize with a judge 
some 
> without.
> 
>> Seriously, I have just 2 comments:
>>
>> 1) The bigotry from "Anonymous" was uncalled for, and
>> 2) "free markets" are not to be desired.  _FAIR_ markets, are.
> 
> See the article I sent, that shows why 1 and 2 are wrong.

So you condone the bigotry.  Ad hominem fallacy #1.

> 
>> You can't have a fair market without fair referees...and there's the 
rub.
>> _Some_ regulation is necessary.
> 
> Incorrect. I've made 100s of thousands if not more without judges and 
> referees. Let me guess... you are not running your own company, right?

So you refer to my personal circumstances as if it had any bearing on
my arguments. Ad hominem fallacy #2.

Now, it's true that my business partner and I started a company in 1994 
that is still going strong after 30 years, one with over 750 employees
last time I checked.  And it's true that I speak from experience,
because we are an ISP fighting two "elephants" in the market that
continue their regulatory capture -- where we have fought for a
fairer market.

But again, referring to my personal circumstances only means you
have a loose grasp of logic, and are prone to logical fallacies.

I'll let you try again to make an argument without your disgusting
bigotry or logical fallacies -- if you dare.

And I'm not even going to approach a discussion of natural monopolies
with respect to last-mile Internet or operating system
standards -- at least, not with you, until you recognize
your logical lapses.

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