Re: My Dinner With Marc Andreessen

From	D <nospam@example.net>
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Subject	Re: My Dinner With Marc Andreessen
Date	2024-07-06 12:18 +0200
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On Fri, 5 Jul 2024, Rich wrote:

> D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 5 Jul 2024, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>>
>>> D  <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 5 Jul 2024, Andreas Eder wrote:
>>>>> On Do 04 Jul 2024 at 23:49, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 4 Jul 2024 12:42:22 +0200, D wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I find it tragic that something like that should be necessary for people
>>>>>>> to lift a finger when it comes to protecting markets.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Almost as though free markets cannot remain free without regulators to
>>>>>> keep them free.
>>>>>
>>>>> Free markets ten ro become oligopols, if not regulated.
>>>>> That is not gard to priive under some mild conditions.
>>>>> Go read about it, if zou can understand the math behind that.
>>>>
>>>> Nope, actually governments tend to create oligopolies due to being such
>>>> big actors on the market that work according to politics and not according
>>>> to profit motive. FANG profit handsomely by government protection.
>>>
>>> Both of these statements are true and they are in no way contradictory.
>>> --scott
>>>
>>>
>>:wq
>> Nope, they are contradictory.
>
> The statements are not contradictory.

They are. One sentence says that free markets become oligopolies (which is 
not true) while the other says that government regulated markets (non-free 
markets) become oligopolies.

Either free markets create them, or non-free markets. If both create them, 
this discussion is meaningless. Needless to say, I do not believe so, but 
if someone does believe it, I see no point in continuing talking.

>> The act of regulation decreases freedom, hence increases
>> oligopoly/monopoly.  It is of course a spectrum and not binary, but
>> the more regulation, the more monopoly and the end station is
>> socialism where the government is the monopoly with all the power,
>> and the citizens being slaves.
>
> You are correct.
>
>> Only less regulation and more free markets can counter that. Johan
>> Norbergs book, The capitalist manifesto also proves conclusively that less
>> regulation and more freedom is the only thing that leads to increase
>> quality of life.
>
> Yes, and no.  You may be overlooking that in a totally free market, the
> competitors are also completely free to purchase each other, reducing
> the overall competition.  If the specific market has large market
> specific capitol costs for entry (i.e., must build a $5Bn or more
> semiconductor chip fab in order to enter and compete) then, over time,
> consolidation (largest competitor purchasing up smaller competitors)
> can happen faster than new entrants such that, in the limit, the result
> will also be monopoly.

If they raise the price, competitors will form, or alternatives will be 
developed. Therefore, even though a monopoly might form, prices will not 
go to infinity. And the likelihood that a monopoly will form with global 
reach, without government contracts or regulation are close to 
non-existent.

For a more in depth explanation have a look at this:

https://fee.org/articles/how-the-free-market-handles-monopoly/ .

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