Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: vallor Newsgroups: comp.misc Subject: Re: My Dinner With Marc Andreessen Date: 8 Jul 2024 21:50:14 GMT Lines: 68 Message-ID: References: <335ed481-557d-7d19-949a-fadba2016d2f@example.net> <7896d979-7348-9c9c-d5a1-db664baa32fc@example.net> <1da9000c-47f2-06ff-3bab-9ebad5d2e6ba@example.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net ESzJHneX3Iepe0ww8f3hRgwVjmBFj/lOidu6/G5OU2vEpKN+7I Cancel-Lock: sha1:G8LcjdWxrJECWykBjCpOYSWu6nk= sha256:eirsmyj21Bw9nBVCKsV9734g8IUA8/QN+54jjlqoUcQ= X-Face: +McU)#<-H?9lTb(Th!zR`EpVrp<0)1p5CmPu.kOscy8LRp_\u`:tW;dxPo./(fCl CaKku`)]}.V/"6rISCIDP` User-Agent: Pan/0.159 (Vovchansk; 873418b; Linux-5.15.0-113-lowlatency) Xref: csiph.com comp.misc:25213 On Mon, 8 Jul 2024 12:22:16 +0200, D wrote in <1da9000c-47f2-06ff-3bab-9ebad5d2e6ba@example.net>: > On Mon, 8 Jul 2024, vallor wrote: > >> On Sun, 7 Jul 2024 12:31:05 +0200, D wrote in >> <7896d979-7348-9c9c-d5a1-db664baa32fc@example.net>: >> >>> As for the natural state of the system in a free market, it is not >>> oligopoly. It is a diverse set of millions and millions of companies. >>> One company governing all of earth would collapse the same way as big >>> governments (and I'm thinking world government) collapses due to >>> inefficient organization. >>> >>> The free market is self organizing and decentralised, and that is the >>> natural state of it, without government creating and helping the >>> behemoths we have today. >> >> We should also do away with referees on soccer pitches, because the games >> will self organize. > > You have never played football without a judge? I've played plento of > self-organized football games. Some games self-organize with a judge some > without. > >> Seriously, I have just 2 comments: >> >> 1) The bigotry from "Anonymous" was uncalled for, and >> 2) "free markets" are not to be desired. _FAIR_ markets, are. > > See the article I sent, that shows why 1 and 2 are wrong. So you condone the bigotry. Ad hominem fallacy #1. > >> You can't have a fair market without fair referees...and there's the rub. >> _Some_ regulation is necessary. > > Incorrect. I've made 100s of thousands if not more without judges and > referees. Let me guess... you are not running your own company, right? So you refer to my personal circumstances as if it had any bearing on my arguments. Ad hominem fallacy #2. Now, it's true that my business partner and I started a company in 1994 that is still going strong after 30 years, one with over 750 employees last time I checked. And it's true that I speak from experience, because we are an ISP fighting two "elephants" in the market that continue their regulatory capture -- where we have fought for a fairer market. But again, referring to my personal circumstances only means you have a loose grasp of logic, and are prone to logical fallacies. I'll let you try again to make an argument without your disgusting bigotry or logical fallacies -- if you dare. And I'm not even going to approach a discussion of natural monopolies with respect to last-mile Internet or operating system standards -- at least, not with you, until you recognize your logical lapses. -- -v ASUS TUF Dash F15 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3060 Mobile OS: Linux 5.15.0-113-lowlatency Release: Mint 21.3 Mem: 15.9G