Re: My Dinner With Marc Andreessen

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Subject	Re: My Dinner With Marc Andreessen
Date	2024-07-06 12:20 +0200
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On Sat, 5 Jul 2024, Scott Dorsey wrote:

> In article <v69fbp$3d8jk$1@dont-email.me>, Rich  <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
>> Yes, and no.  You may be overlooking that in a totally free market, the
>> competitors are also completely free to purchase each other, reducing
>> the overall competition.  If the specific market has large market
>> specific capitol costs for entry (i.e., must build a $5Bn or more
>> semiconductor chip fab in order to enter and compete) then, over time,
>> consolidation (largest competitor purchasing up smaller competitors)
>> can happen faster than new entrants such that, in the limit, the result
>> will also be monopoly.
>
> It goes beyond this.  It is in the clear best interest of any business
> to have a monopoly or to at least reduce competition.  This being the
> case, people in an existing business do the most they can to keep the
> market from being free.
>
> It is true that one of the things they do is to lobby for regulation
> to control the market, and in this regard it's true that the government
> is often involved in reducing competition.
>
> But with hands taken completely off the market, dominant businesses
> (especially in a market with a lot of initial capital required, such
> as telecoms or chip fab as described above) will do to most they can
> to squelch competition and the government can also prevent that to increase
> competition.  There's nothing that -can- stop it short of regulation.
>
> Copyrights and patents can also reduce competition but they can also
> increase competition by promoting innovation.  Too short a patent
> duration and it does little to promote innovation, too long a patent
> duration and it suppresses competition.  So once again there's a fine
> line to be treaded.
>
> It's not as simple as Adam Smith made it out to be anymore.
> --scott
>

I disagree. I think this article does a pretty good job of showing why 
there's no need to be afraid of monopolies:

https://fee.org/articles/how-the-free-market-handles-monopoly/ .

As for patents and copyrights, those are excellent examples of how we have 
even bigger and more monopolistic giants today, thanks to the governments 
protection, than without it.

Do you think disney would be the woke giant it is without copyright? Or do 
you think FAANG companies would be where they are without patents?

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