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  Re: Intel architecture (Was: Java vs C++) Sulfide Eater <zaxx1108@example.com> - 2011-02-09 00:23 -0500
    Re: Intel architecture (Was: Java vs C++) Sulfide Eater <zaxx1108@example.com> - 2011-02-09 16:03 -0500
      Re: Intel architecture (Was: Java vs C++) "tholen@antispam.ham" <tholen@ifa.hawaii.edu> - 2011-02-10 06:29 -0800
        Re: Intel architecture (Was: Java vs C++) Heike Svensson <hsvensson.1093x1_q@hotmail.nospam.com.please> - 2011-02-10 09:35 -0500
          Re: Intel architecture (Was: Java vs C++) "tholen@antispam.ham" <tholen@ifa.hawaii.edu> - 2011-02-10 17:21 -0800
      Re: Intel architecture (Was: Java vs C++) Esmond Pitt <esmond.pitt@bigpond.com> - 2011-02-10 21:58 +1100
        Re: Intel architecture (Was: Java vs C++) "tholen@antispam.ham" <tholen@ifa.hawaii.edu> - 2011-02-10 17:23 -0800
          Re: Intel architecture (Was: Java vs C++) Sulfide Eater <zaxx1108@example.com> - 2011-02-12 05:40 -0500
        Re: Intel architecture (Was: Java vs C++) "tholen@antispam.ham" <tholen@ifa.hawaii.edu> - 2011-02-10 06:28 -0800
          Re: Intel architecture (Was: Java vs C++) Sulfide Eater <zaxx1108@example.com> - 2011-02-10 09:32 -0500
        Re: Intel architecture (Was: Java vs C++) Heike Svensson <hsvensson.1093x1_q@hotmail.nospam.com.please> - 2011-02-13 11:04 -0500
        Re: Intel architecture (Was: Java vs C++) Sulfide Eater <zaxx1108@example.com> - 2011-02-10 07:00 -0500
    Re: Troll warning Sulfide Eater <zaxx1108@example.com> - 2011-02-09 17:02 -0500
      Re: Troll warning Sulfide Eater <zaxx1108@example.com> - 2011-02-13 11:40 -0500
    Re: Intel architecture (Was: Java vs C++) "tholen@antispam.ham" <tholen@ifa.hawaii.edu> - 2011-02-09 07:43 -0800
    Re: Troll warning Sulfide Eater <zaxx1108@example.com> - 2011-02-09 16:29 -0500
      Re: Troll warning "tholen@antispam.ham" <tholen@ifa.hawaii.edu> - 2011-02-09 13:52 -0800
    Re: Troll warning Nigel Wade <nmw-news@ion.le.ac.uk> - 2011-02-09 13:12 +0000
      Re: Troll warning Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-02-09 08:22 -0500
      Re: Troll warning Sulfide Eater <zaxx1108@example.com> - 2011-02-09 16:28 -0500
    Re: Intel architecture (Was: Java vs C++) Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-02-09 07:46 -0500
    Re: Intel architecture (Was: Java vs C++) "tholen@antispam.ham" <tholen@ifa.hawaii.edu> - 2011-02-09 07:41 -0800

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#25491 — Re: Intel architecture (Was: Java vs C++)

On 09/02/2011 12:15 AM, Lew wrote:
> Esmond Pitt wrote:
>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>> Esmond Pitt wrote:
>>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>> Nobody seriously used that stuff, because none of it was of any use.
>>> The only OS designed to try to make use of it, OS/2, flopped.
>> For that reason?
>
> That quote is out of context, but if "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" was saying
> that use of clever Intel tricks like hardware multitasking and privilege
> rings were used only by OS/2 (is that what he said? I missed his post.),
> the other OSes you cite aren't the only ones, either. QNX, for example,
> was doing that on the '286, and they're still very much in business, too.

QNX? That's even more obscure than OS/2 is!

Fact is, nothing with non-micoscopic market share used those features of 
the 80286.

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#25492

On 09/02/2011 10:41 AM, tholen@antispam.ham wrote:
> Sulfide Eater<zaxx1108@example.com>  writes:
>
> 121>  Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.os.os2.advocacy
>
> 121>  QNX? That's even more obscure than OS/2 is!
>
> Classic erroneous presupposition.

Are you claiming, then, that OS/2 is more obscure than QNX?

> 121>  Fact is, nothing with non-micoscopic market share used those
> features of
> 121>  the 80286.
>
> Classic erroneous presupposition.  OS/2 had far more than a
> microscopic
> market share, Eater.

In your wildest dreams, perhaps, tholenbot.

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#25533

Esmond Pitt <esmond.pitt@bigpond.com> writes:

1> Newsgroups:
comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.text.tex

1> No 'wildest dreams' about it. I made a very good living out of OS/2
for
1> ten consecutive years. IBM stated at some stage that the OS/2
project
1> had showed a considerable profit.

Trolls like Sulfide Eater never let the facts get in the way of a good
rant, Pitt.

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#25577

On 10/02/2011 9:32 AM, Sulfide Eater wrote:
> On 10/02/2011 9:29 AM, tholen@antispam.ham wrote:
>> Esmond Pitt <esmond.pitt@bigpond.com> writes:
>>
>> 1>  No 'wildest dreams' about it. I made a very good living out of OS/2
>> for
>> 1>  ten consecutive years. IBM stated at some stage that the OS/2
>> project
>> 1>  had showed a considerable profit.
>>
>> [insult deleted] like Sulfide Eater [false accusation deleted], Pitt.
>
> What do your classic erroneous presuppositions have to do with OS/2, tholen?

Whack tholen bot!

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#25820

Heike Svensson <hsvensson.1093x1_q@hotmail.nospam.com.please> writes:

42> Newsgroups:
comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.text.tex

42> Whack tholen bot!

Who is "bot", Svensson?  There is nobody in this newsgroup using
that alias.  And what does your desire for that "bot" to whack tholen
have to do with OS/2, Svensson?

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#25607

On 10/02/2011 8:03 AM, Sulfide Eater wrote:
> In your wildest dreams, perhaps, tholenbot.

No 'wildest dreams' about it. I made a very good living out of OS/2 for 
ten consecutive years. IBM stated at some stage that the OS/2 project 
had showed a considerable profit.

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#25649

Sulfide Eater <zaxx1108@example.com> writes:

127> Newsgroups:
comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.text.tex

127> Nor does the market share of the Edsel, trollium.

Who is "trollium", Eater?  There is nobody in this newsgroup
using that alias.

127> Non sequitur;

Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.

127> to whom are you referring, tholenator?

Case in point.

127> There is nobody in
127> this newsgroup who "can't even keep attributions straight",
thingamabob.

Who is "thingamabob", Eater?  There is nobody in this newsgroup
using that alias.

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#25885

On 10/02/2011 8:23 PM, tholen@antispam.ham wrote:
> 127>  Non sequitur;
>
> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.

On your part, tholenbot.

> 127>  to whom are you referring, tholenator?
>
> Case in point.

Non sequitur.

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#25875

Sulfide Eater <zaxx1108@example.com> writes:

125> Newsgroups:
comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.os.os2.advocacy,rec.games.roguelike.development

125> Classic erroneous presupposition, tholenbot.

Who is "tholenbot", Eater?  There is nobody in this newsgroup
using that alias.

125> I said that QNX was more obscure than OS/2, tholian.

Who is "tholian", Eater?  There is nobody in this newsgroup
using that alias.

125> You claimed that that was "erroneous", trollen.

Who is "trollen", Eater?  There is nobody in this newsgroup
using that alias.

125> That implies that you believe that OS/2
125> is more obscure than QNX, tholenoid.

Who is "tholenoid", Eater?  There is nobody in this newsgroup
using that alias.

125> Failure to recognize a common rhetorical question format noted,
thallium.

Who is "thallium", Eater?  There is nobody in this newsgroup
using that alias.

125> Failure to recognize a common rhetorical question format noted,
thalidomide

Who is "thalidomide", Eater?  There is nobody in this newsgroup
using that alias.

125> Stuck record behavior also noted, trillium.

Who is "trillium", Eater?  There is nobody in this newsgroup
using that alias.

125> On your part, tholenbot.

Who is "tholenbot", Eater?  There is nobody in this newsgroup
using that alias.

126> Newsgroups:
comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.text.tex

126> In some niche area. The fact remains that its market share does
not hold
126> a candle to that of even OS X, let alone Linux or Windows.

Classic pontification.  Of course, Mercedes' market share doesn't hold
a candle to Chevrolet.  The significance of that comparison will
undoubtedly be lost on someone who can't even keep attributions
straight.

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#25933

On 10/02/2011 9:28 AM, tholen@antispam.ham wrote:
> 126>  In some niche area. The fact remains that its market share does
> not hold
> 126>  a candle to that of even OS X, let alone Linux or Windows.
>
> Classic pontification.  Of course, Mercedes' market share doesn't hold
> a candle to Chevrolet.

Nor does the market share of the Edsel, trollium.

> The significance of that comparison will undoubtedly be lost on
> someone who can't even keep attributions straight.

Non sequitur; to whom are you referring, tholenator? There is nobody in 
this newsgroup who "can't even keep attributions straight", thingamabob.

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#25914

At 10:27 AM, Sulfide Eater <zaxx1108@example.com> wrote:
> On 13/02/2011 5:50 AM, tholen@antispam.ham wrote:
>> =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?=<arne@vajhoej.dk>  writes:
>> 17>  OS/2 was pretty widely used once.
>
> Bullshit.

Smack!

>> [insult deleted]s like Sulfide Eater [false accusation
>> deleted], Arne.
>
> What do your classic erroneous presuppositions have to do  with
> OS/2, tholenbot?

Pow!

>> 18>  OS/2 was used by many large organizations in both the private
>> 18>  and the public sector.
>
> How many is "many"? 3? 6? 10? Maybe even 100? Even 100 adopters
> would have been tiny market share.

Blam!

>> [insult deleted]s like Sulfide Eater [false accusation
>> deleted], Arne.
>
> What do your classic erroneous presuppositions have to do with
> OS/2, tholenator?

Whack!

>> 19>  This was client side - desktop computers.
>
> It wasn't home computers.
>
>> [insult deleted]s like Sulfide Eater [false accusation
>> deleted], Arne.
>
> What do your classic erroneous presuppositions have to do with
> OS/2, thalidomide?

Bam!
Boink!
Slap!

>> 20>  The computers on the employees desktops are client side.
>
> To the employees. Not to anyone back home.

Zoink!

>> 20>  It is a lot more than 3.
>> [insult deleted]s like Sulfide Eater [false accusation
>> deleted], Arne.
>
> What do your classic erroneous presuppositions have to do with
> OS/2, tholenbot?

Kablooie!

I love a good Internet argument. :)

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#25931

On 10/02/2011 5:58 AM, Esmond Pitt wrote:
> On 10/02/2011 8:03 AM, Sulfide Eater wrote:
>> In your wildest dreams, perhaps, tholenbot.
>
> No 'wildest dreams' about it. I made a very good living out of OS/2 for
> ten consecutive years. IBM stated at some stage that the OS/2 project
> had showed a considerable profit.

In some niche area. The fact remains that its market share does not hold 
a candle to that of even OS X, let alone Linux or Windows.

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#25676 — Re: Troll warning

On 09/02/2011 4:52 PM, tholen@antispam.ham wrote:
> Sulfide Eater<zaxx1108@example.com>  writes:
>
> 122>  Are you claiming, then, that OS/2 is more obscure than QNX?
>
> Still suffering from reading comprehension problems, Eater?

Classic erroneous presupposition, tholenbot.

I said that QNX was more obscure than OS/2, tholian. You claimed that 
that was "erroneous", trollen. That implies that you believe that OS/2 
is more obscure than QNX, tholenoid.

> 123>  It's perfectly on topic there, jerkwad. We were dicsussing OS/2's
> 123>  use of the 80286's multitasking support features, which few other
> 123>  operating systems did at the time. If that isn't a useful bit of
> 123>  information for OS/2 advocates I don't know what is. :)
>
> Then why don't you read some of the OS/2 newsgroups to find out
> what sort of questions people ask that represent useful bits of
> information, Eater?

Failure to recognize a common rhetorical question format noted, thallium.

> 124>  It's perfectly on topic there. We were discussing OS/2's use of
> 124>  the 80286's multitasking support features, which few other
> 124>  operating systems did at the time. If that isn't a useful bit
> 124>  of information for OS/2 advocates I don't know what is. :)
>
> Then why don't you read some of the OS/2 newsgroups to find out
> what sort of questions people ask that represent useful bits of
> information, Eater?

Failure to recognize a common rhetorical question format noted, thalidomide

Stuck record behavior also noted, trillium.

> 124>  By the first on-topic traffic they've had in ages?
>
> Classic erroneous presupposition.

On your part, tholenbot.

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#26119 — Re: Troll warning

On 13/02/2011 5:47 AM, tholen@antispam.ham wrote:
> Sulfide Eater<zaxx1108@example.com>  writes:
> 130>  Where, in West Rectum, Rajikistan? I can't recall ever stumbling
> 130>  upon a single person using it as their desktop OS even during
> 130>  its so-called heyday.
>
> Suffering from memory problems, Eater?

No, but thanks for your concern, tholenbot.

But I gotta ask: What does your question have to do with OS/2, trollen?

> 130>  Maybe the odd dedicated-function terminal, like an ATM or a cash
> 130>  register, was running it under the hood. Nothing normal people do
> 130>  their web browsing, word processing, and gaming on, though, that
> 130>  I ever ran across.
>
> Don't get out much, eh Eater?

What does your classic erroneous presupposition have to do with OS/2, 
thallium?

> 131>  I'm more interested in client-side. Who among the general public
> 131>  ever used it much?
>
> I have, Eater.

You don't exactly have much of a choice, though, do you, thalien, unless 
your author chooses someday to port you to another platform, tholenbot. 
So you don't count, thalidomide.

> 132>  You said "used by many large corporations", rather than by
> 132>  individuals on their personal computers.
>
> Large corporations are client-side users, Eater.

Not to their own users, the general public, trollium.

> 132>  I am asking who actually used it. Having 3 adopters all of which
> 132>  were large organizations is still having 3 adopters and a tiny
> 132>  sliver of market share.
>
> Irrelevant

What does your classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim have to do 
with OS/2, trillium?

> given that there were far more than 3 adopters, Eater.

How many is "far more than 3", trellis? 30, tholenbot? Perhaps even as 
many as 100, tholian?

> 133>  Wow, was it 6?
>
> No, Eater.

Perhaps 7, then, tholenbot.

> 133>  Maybe even 10?
>
> Not even, Eater.

Not even ten, trollenbot? Aww, poor OS/2. Nine or fewer users makes 
thallium a sad, sad bot. Why, tholenbot's in danger of the only platform 
he's supported on going extinct! If someone doesn't port him to Windows 
or Linux, trollen could actually *die*!

> 133>  Maybe even as many as 100?
>
> Even more, Eater.

Classic contradiction, tholenbot; you just said not even 10, tholoon.

> Now you're getting warm, Eater.

What does the temperature becoming milder in the Northeast have to do 
with OS/2, thallium?

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#25769

Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> writes:

8> Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.os.os2.advocacy

8> How is still in business and thriving more obscure than historic
only and no
8> longer used?

Classic erroneous presupposition.  OS/2 is still used, Lew.

8> That was essentially what I said to start off this sub-thread:
"Only a couple
8> of OSes really used that stuff back then."  Glad to see agreement
in this
8> often contentious newsgroup.

Are you claiming that OS/2 no longer uses it, Lew?  Or are
you really saying that the 80286 is no longer used?

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#25786 — Re: Troll warning

On 09/02/2011 8:22 AM, Lew wrote:
> On 02/09/2011 08:12 AM, Nigel Wade wrote:
>> On 09/02/11 05:23, Sulfide Eater [false accusation deleted]:
>>
>> Watch out for the [insult deleted] in the previous post which was
>> x-posted to an OS/2 advocacy group.

It's perfectly on topic there. We were dicsussing OS/2's use of the 
80286's multitasking support features, which few other operating systems 
did at the time. If that isn't a useful bit of information for OS/2 
advocates I don't know what is. :)

> Damn, and I answered him without noticing! Now both the denizens of the
> OS/2 group will be so bummed out.

By the first on-topic traffic they've had in ages?

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#25881 — Re: Troll warning

Sulfide Eater <zaxx1108@example.com> writes:

122> Newsgroups:
comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.text.tex

122> Are you claiming, then, that OS/2 is more obscure than QNX?

Still suffering from reading comprehension problems, Eater?  The
sentence that you decided not to quote addresses your question.

122> In your wildest dreams, perhaps, tholenbot.

Who is "tholenbot", Eater?  There is nobody in this newsgroup
using that alias.

123> Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.os.os2.advocacy

123> It's perfectly on topic there, jerkwad. We were dicsussing OS/2's
use of
123> the 80286's multitasking support features, which few other
operating
123> systems did at the time. If that isn't a useful bit of
information for
123> OS/2 advocates I don't know what is. :)

Then why don't you read some of the OS/2 newsgroups to find out
what sort of questions people ask that represent useful bits of
information, Eater?

124> Newsgroups:
comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.os.os2.advocacy,rec.games.roguelike.development

124> It's perfectly on topic there. We were dicsussing OS/2's use of
the
124> 80286's multitasking support features, which few other operating
systems
124> did at the time. If that isn't a useful bit of information for OS/
2
124> advocates I don't know what is. :)

Then why don't you read some of the OS/2 newsgroups to find out
what sort of questions people ask that represent useful bits of
information, Eater?

124> By the first on-topic traffic they've had in ages?

Classic erroneous presupposition.

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#25811 — Re: Troll warning

On 09/02/11 05:23, Sulfide Eater wrote an attempted troll:

Watch out for the stupid troll attempt in the previous post which was
x-posted to an OS/2 advocacy group.

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#25892 — Re: Troll warning

On 02/09/2011 08:12 AM, Nigel Wade wrote:
> On 09/02/11 05:23, Sulfide Eater wrote an attempted troll:
>
> Watch out for the stupid troll attempt in the previous post which was
> x-posted to an OS/2 advocacy group.

Damn, and I answered him without noticing!  Now both the denizens of the OS/2 
group will be so bummed out.

-- 
Lew
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#26018 — Re: Troll warning

On 09/02/2011 8:12 AM, Nigel Wade wrote:
> On 09/02/11 05:23, Sulfide Eater wrote an attempted troll:
>
> Watch out for the [insult deleted] in the previous post which was
> x-posted to an OS/2 advocacy group.

It's perfectly on topic there, jerkwad. We were dicsussing OS/2's use of 
the 80286's multitasking support features, which few other operating 
systems did at the time. If that isn't a useful bit of information for 
OS/2 advocates I don't know what is. :)

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