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Re: General Consulting Advice Urgently Needed

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On Tue, 29 Nov 2011 14:04:53 -0800, Roedy Green
<see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> wrote:

>On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 10:44:16 -0800, Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net>
>wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
>
>>
>>     Yes, there is.  If a client asks for something unusual, he should
>>pay for all time involved.  Obviously, there can be a fine line here.
>>I have, on occasion, char
>
>Sure he should pay, but to play fair, you build that cost into the
>fixed price bid.  It is not his fault if you get in over your head.

     Why have a fixed price bid?  This just invites trouble if the
spec is not firm.  I would go with frequent deliverables.

>He should pay less that he would pay hiring someone experienced, not
>more.  You should not be rewarded for incompetence.

     Non sequitur.  I can easily imagine someone being hired where
other consideration are more important than immediate technical
competence.  Some examples: 1) The person may be local.  2) The person
may know the rest of the client's systems very well and need this
knowledge to be effective.  3) The person is trustworthy.  4) Bragging
rights: "I was Jo[e] NotANewbieNow's first client!"

>By analogy think of an incompetent plumber who takes far more time
>than one who knows what his he doing. Why should you pay for the
>newbie?

     Why not?  And youmight be paying less.

>You pay to go to school.  When you get out, you expect people to pay
>you.  I think there should be a more gradual transition, when you work
>for free, where the customer does you a favour knowing the work may
>take way to long or be of inferior quality, or you make take up more
>of his time, then to lower wage, eventually to full wage when you can
>produce the same quality and speed as the experienced programmers.

     Mr. Green, you live in British Columbia so you probably heard
about the training wage that the Liberals brought in.  That got widely
abused.  And you are proposing someone work for free?

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

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General Consulting Advice Urgently Needed Novice <novice@example..com> - 2011-11-28 15:41 +0000
  Re: General Consulting Advice Urgently Needed Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2011-11-28 11:37 -0500
    Re: General Consulting Advice Urgently Needed Novice <novice@example..com> - 2011-11-28 17:04 +0000
      Re: General Consulting Advice Urgently Needed markspace <-@.> - 2011-11-28 11:09 -0800
        Re: General Consulting Advice Urgently Needed Novice <novice@example..com> - 2011-11-28 19:48 +0000
          Re: General Consulting Advice Urgently Needed markspace <-@.> - 2011-11-28 12:14 -0800
            Re: General Consulting Advice Urgently Needed Rhino <no.offline.contact.please@example.com> - 2011-11-28 21:28 +0000
              Re: General Consulting Advice Urgently Needed markspace <-@.> - 2011-11-28 14:14 -0800
                Re: General Consulting Advice Urgently Needed Novice <novice@example..com> - 2011-11-29 05:24 +0000
                Re: General Consulting Advice Urgently Needed Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2011-11-29 20:44 +0000
  Re: General Consulting Advice Urgently Needed Novice <novice@example..com> - 2011-11-28 17:53 +0000
    Re: General Consulting Advice Urgently Needed Novice <novice@example..com> - 2011-11-28 19:52 +0000
    Re: General Consulting Advice Urgently Needed Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2011-11-29 07:20 -0400
      Re: General Consulting Advice Urgently Needed Novice <novice@example..com> - 2011-11-29 16:06 +0000
        Re: General Consulting Advice Urgently Needed Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-11-29 12:04 -0800
          Re: General Consulting Advice Urgently Needed Novice <novice@example..com> - 2011-11-30 00:12 +0000
            Re: General Consulting Advice Urgently Needed Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-11-29 22:02 -0800
              Re: General Consulting Advice Urgently Needed Novice <novice@example..com> - 2011-11-30 20:28 +0000
  Re: General Consulting Advice Urgently Needed Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2011-11-28 10:03 -0800
    Re: General Consulting Advice Urgently Needed Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2011-11-28 10:44 -0800
      Re: General Consulting Advice Urgently Needed Novice <novice@example..com> - 2011-11-28 20:13 +0000
        Re: General Consulting Advice Urgently Needed Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2011-11-28 12:59 -0800
      Re: General Consulting Advice Urgently Needed Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2011-11-29 14:04 -0800
        Re: General Consulting Advice Urgently Needed Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2011-11-29 15:07 -0800
    Re: General Consulting Advice Urgently Needed Novice <novice@example..com> - 2011-11-28 19:56 +0000

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