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Re: General Consulting Advice Urgently Needed

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Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> wrote in
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> Novice wrote:
>> Which raises an excellent point. Just what GUI is the best way to go 
>> these days? The customer wants a desktop application that will run on
>> Windows and Mac. I'm mostly familiar with Swing and see no obvious
>> reason why it couldn't do the job required by the customer. Would
>> Spring MVC or Struts 2 be better? If so, why? 
> 
> Spring MVC is not a GUI.
> 
> Struts is not a GUI.
> 
> Did you look at the Web sites for those frameworks?  It's obvious that
> they are not GUIs. 
> 
Sorry, you are absolutely right. I glanced only very briefly - a few 
seconds - at the Spring website and clicked on Tutorials; that took me to 
the YouTube videos which didn't specifically mention its applicability. I 
just stayed in YouTube to look at a Struts video without even examining 
the Struts website. Arved's remarks elsewhere in the thread put Struts 
and Spring into my head but I didn't review their natures sufficiently. I 
was eager to reply as quickly as possible to the client's email and got 
ahead of myself.  

>> I'm not sure what the learning curve would be to get up to speed on 
>> Spring or Struts. I just looked at two  YouTube videos, one on Spring
>> and one on Struts and found both pretty dreadful. I'm sure the
>> products are good but the videos were very poorly produced with very
>> poor presenters 
> 
> Struts is good.  I am not pleased with Spring.  Most of what Spring
> offers has been supplanted by standard Java and Java EE annotations. 
> 
>> with heavy accents and rather unfocused content. They were chock full
>> of vague generalities and very skimpy on actual details. I'm
>> optimistic that there are better tutorials on both subjects and that
>> I can find those better tutorials if they exist but, so far, I'm not
>> clear on when/why Spring or Struts would be better than Swing.  
> 
> Applea and oranges.  They aren't even for the same architecture as
> Swing. 
> 
>> This again raises the question of whether customer should pay me my
>> going rate to learn Spring or Struts or whether I should eat the cost
>> of the learning?
> 
> You should at least learn enough to discern what is relevant and what
> is not before contemplating entering into such a contract. 
> 
Touche! I certainly deserve that for this mistake. 

-- 
Novice

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General Consulting Advice Urgently Needed Novice <novice@example..com> - 2011-11-28 15:41 +0000
  Re: General Consulting Advice Urgently Needed Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2011-11-28 11:37 -0500
    Re: General Consulting Advice Urgently Needed Novice <novice@example..com> - 2011-11-28 17:04 +0000
      Re: General Consulting Advice Urgently Needed markspace <-@.> - 2011-11-28 11:09 -0800
        Re: General Consulting Advice Urgently Needed Novice <novice@example..com> - 2011-11-28 19:48 +0000
          Re: General Consulting Advice Urgently Needed markspace <-@.> - 2011-11-28 12:14 -0800
            Re: General Consulting Advice Urgently Needed Rhino <no.offline.contact.please@example.com> - 2011-11-28 21:28 +0000
              Re: General Consulting Advice Urgently Needed markspace <-@.> - 2011-11-28 14:14 -0800
                Re: General Consulting Advice Urgently Needed Novice <novice@example..com> - 2011-11-29 05:24 +0000
                Re: General Consulting Advice Urgently Needed Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2011-11-29 20:44 +0000
  Re: General Consulting Advice Urgently Needed Novice <novice@example..com> - 2011-11-28 17:53 +0000
    Re: General Consulting Advice Urgently Needed Novice <novice@example..com> - 2011-11-28 19:52 +0000
    Re: General Consulting Advice Urgently Needed Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2011-11-29 07:20 -0400
      Re: General Consulting Advice Urgently Needed Novice <novice@example..com> - 2011-11-29 16:06 +0000
        Re: General Consulting Advice Urgently Needed Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-11-29 12:04 -0800
          Re: General Consulting Advice Urgently Needed Novice <novice@example..com> - 2011-11-30 00:12 +0000
            Re: General Consulting Advice Urgently Needed Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-11-29 22:02 -0800
              Re: General Consulting Advice Urgently Needed Novice <novice@example..com> - 2011-11-30 20:28 +0000
  Re: General Consulting Advice Urgently Needed Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2011-11-28 10:03 -0800
    Re: General Consulting Advice Urgently Needed Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2011-11-28 10:44 -0800
      Re: General Consulting Advice Urgently Needed Novice <novice@example..com> - 2011-11-28 20:13 +0000
        Re: General Consulting Advice Urgently Needed Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2011-11-28 12:59 -0800
      Re: General Consulting Advice Urgently Needed Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2011-11-29 14:04 -0800
        Re: General Consulting Advice Urgently Needed Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2011-11-29 15:07 -0800
    Re: General Consulting Advice Urgently Needed Novice <novice@example..com> - 2011-11-28 19:56 +0000

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