Re: GA144 Application Board

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From	Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl>
Subject	Re: GA144 Application Board
Date	2012-03-22 17:50 +0000
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Organization	Dutch Forth Workshop
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In article <m1aaxl.5zw@spenarnc.xs4all.nl>,
Albert van der Horst  <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> wrote:
>In article <5eb4fce2-726b-4dfe-b699-8c1c592294b6@hv2g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
>rickman  <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> 6. External SRAM for the GA144, similar to GA's own eval board
>>>
>>> >With the limited internal ram, yes, external RAM is required. =A0I find
>>> >it interesting that with the internal word size being 18 bits, the GA
>>> >eval board and SRAM board have 16 bit memory. =A0I looked for 18 bit
>>> >memory, but it seems to be very expensive now. =A0At one time it was
>>> >quite common and not so expensive.
>>>
>>> With 18 bits you should interface a 16 bit CAS 16 bit RAS memory.
>>
>>I have no idea what a 16 bit CAS 16 bit RAS memory is.  Are you
>>talking about SDRAM, DDR or DDR2?  What are the 16 bits?
>
>All the dynamic ram chips, since the 4016 16K times 1 , use
>a multiplexing for the row and column addressing, so 16K amounts
>to 7 Row Addres Strobe lines and & 7 Column Address Strobe lines
>on the same pins.
>Virtually all EDO ...DDR3 has this mechanisme.

I looked it up. At Farnell for $7,34 in single quantity:
Hynix HSPS1G3EFR. This is a building block for PC memory.
A single chip will have 128 Mbyte.
It is conveniently organised as 64M * 16 bits.
I hope BGA doesn't scare you.
This chip could add serious punch to GA144.
It will cost 14 address lines, 12 CAS/RAS and 2 banks,
which leaves room for control lines.
It uses 2.5 V which makes direct connection possible.

There are tsop's too though and 1.8 V, but I have found only
32 Mbytes, which is still respectable.

If you reckon that it is about the same work to interface this
as what they have done now...

>
>>
>>
>>> Using this kind of cheap memory 4 Gbyte would not be much slower
>>> than the bit-banging that is done now.
>>
>>Slower???  In app note 3, fast static ram runs at 5 MHz cycle times.
>>I think even 133 MHz SDRAM can run about 5 times faster than this
>>while doing single word accesses.  I might use an SDRAM rather than an
>>SRAM.  I'll need to look at a few issues though.
>
>With the need to multiplex the CAS and RAS strobes by hand from the
>GA144 speed might suffer a bit.
>But we are in  the unique situation
>that we dedicate a whole processor to the memory interface.
>This approach saves half of the address lines and money.
>The lines are used better.
>
>>
>>
>>> So I want a 32 bit eForth
>>> with 4 Gbyte addressable memory before I would even consider
>>> using an ISO Forth on the GA144. This could use cheap discarded
>>> memory from PC's, by the way.
>>
>>Isn't 4 GB a bit much?  PDA's, tablets and cell phones don't have that
>>much memory!  Geeze, this PC I am typing on only has 4 GB!!!  The idea
>>of scrounging PC's at the dump for memory is a bit funny.  I think a
>>$4 SRAM or SDRAM chip will do the job ok.
>
>PDA's tables and cell phones have not the data processing capability
>of a GA144. So the GA144 needs more data to process.
>When the 16G and 256 Gb arrive, we should use that,
>17 and 18 bits CAS/RAS strobes. At 18 bits 256G there may be a
>natural limit for the GA144 though.
>
><SNIP>
>
>>
>>Rick
>
>Groetjes Albert
>
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>--
>Albert van der Horst, UTRECHT,THE NETHERLANDS
>Economic growth -- being exponential -- ultimately falters.
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>


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