Re: Opal fare dodging

From	"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	aus.computers, aus.politics
Subject	Re: Opal fare dodging
Date	2015-12-23 20:32 +1100
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"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message 
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> "Petzl" <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote in message 
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>> On Wed, 23 Dec 2015 10:47:37 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>"Petzl" <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>>>> On Wed, 23 Dec 2015 05:41:36 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>After watching the Opal system on public transport in Sydney
>>>>>recently and getting my own geriatrics Opal card basically
>>>>>because its free and I'll need one if I ever show up in Sydney
>>>>>again any time soon, I did wonder what they do about those
>>>>>who don't bother to tap their card before getting on one of
>>>>>the things like the light rail trains which don't actually have
>>>>>gates which force you to tap your card to get thru the gate.
>>>>>
>>>>>I did notice with the light rail that the conductor did get
>>>>>a few people to wave something at his handheld thing.
>>>>>Is that to check if they had tapped their Opal card on the
>>>>>pole at the station before getting on the train and they
>>>>>will be fined if they haven't done that ?
>>>>>
>>>>>Didn't notice the conductor doing that with many
>>>>>people so the chance of catching fare dodgers isn't
>>>>>that great.
>>>>>
>>>>>Couldn't find anything much with google, just some
>>>>>discussion about schemes to trigger the daily and
>>>>>weekly cap on what you get slugged.
>>>>>
>>>>>And presumably with the phasing out of tickets
>>>>>completely which happens in days now, they
>>>>>wont even have conductors on the stuff like
>>>>>the light rail because they wont be selling
>>>>>tickets to people like tourists anymore.
>>>>>
>>>>>Corse they can certainly have ticket inspectors
>>>>>do spot checks any time they like.
>>>
>>>> With Light Rail the "tap on" is on a post
>>>> behind where you wait for tram ("no "gate").
>>>
>>>Yes, that's what I meant.
>>>
>>>> The "gazzo" inspectors use show if you
>>>> have tapped on and or money left on card.
>>>
>>>> On trains a "squad" of ticket inspectors
>>>> randomly go through train checking tickets,
>>>
>>>Do they check everyone on the light rail train ?
>>>
>>>Presumably I didn't use it enough to see any of those.
>>>
>>>Was the conductor who I did see do something with a
>>>few passengers instead of actually selling them a ticket
>>>checking if they had tapped on at the light rail stop
>>>or were those people actually tapping on with his
>>>handheld device because they hadn't done that at
>>>the post at the stop ?  I cant remember whether he
>>>approached them or they approached him.
>>>
>> Yes,  the conductor sells and checks tickets Opal cards
>>
>>>> Not yet been checked on Bus but the driver can see
>>>> if you tap on, will tell you if it didn't work (although
>>>> it glows RED when it fails. My train Station doesn't
>>>> have gates just "Tap on/off" posts.
>>>
>>>OK, I didn't use any of the smaller train stations, just Central
>>>and the two airport stations. Didn't use any buses or ferries
>>>either. I assumed from the online description that the bus
>>>driver would notice if you didn't bother to tap on when
>>>getting on the bus but didn't check if the bus bigger bus
>>>stops had tap on and off posts like the light rail stops do.
>
>> Macarthur had a recent face lift about 3 years
>> ago, I expect this will be the "new" format.
>
> Yeah, it does make sense with other than the highest volume stations.
>
>> Went to Bondi Beach by Bus/train/bus ($2.50)
>
> Yeah, great system, go anywhere you like for $2.50
>
> The Melburg system is different, free travel on Sunday.
> Not likely to be as useful for me.
>
>> Bit rainified so went to Bondi pub for Fish (Barramundi)
>> and Chips with salad ($12) VERY nice, LARGE serving
>
> The Haymarket pub I grabbed dinner at was $12 including beer,
> with a choice of steak, chicken schnitzel and some vegetarian thing.
>
>> with a Schooner of beer as well NEW ($5.80)
>
> Haven't really sorted out what I drink when I can't drink my own.
> Carlton Draught was very decent after wandering around all day
> on foot with nothing to drink at all, just an apple from my bag
> while waiting for the phone to charge in the Sydney TAFE.
>
> Didn't care for the Piloni that we got stuck into at the most recent wake.
>
>> We have two choices regular doubledeck which you took to airport
>> http://bit.ly/1U3ZafH
>> The other and much faster is express Country Train
>> (30 minutes to Central)
>> http://bit.ly/1U3Zgnx
>
> Is there anything that avoids the $11
> to get out of the station there like buses ?
>
> Last time I went from the Cross I went by taxi, forget the cost.
>
>> Looked around Central Station the Number 1 platform
>> waiting room no longer has a phone recharge
>
> I meant just a power point I can plug my own charger into.
>
> The XPT does in the in the day sleeper compartments.
> The dunnys do too tho those aren't as convenient to use.
>
> The youngest turk says that the Explorer trains have at
> least one power point you are free to use at the end
> of the carriages. Those Xplorers are actually rather
> better for here than the XPT service which has a bus
> from Wagga, but only runs once a week. The hybrid
> XPT/bus service is daily and in the evening too on
> two days of the week. The Explorer service is much
> faster too, 6 hours as opposed to 10 with no farting
> around with a bus.
>
>> They only have outside Platform 2, this one
>> http://bit.ly/1U3ZpYi
>
> Yeah, that's the one the countrylink ape told me about.
> I turned my nose up at that and decided that there must
> be some power points outside central and found Sydney
> TAFE after some I asked in the tunnel up that way told me
> about it.
>
>> Always seems full?
>> Battery backups for Mobiles seem suspiciously cheap?
>> http://bit.ly/1U3ZACP

The youngest turk had previously got a couple of those for
$6 each for him and one of his mates. Not every viable at all,
his didn't work and he got a full refund. His mate's sort of
worked and he wasn't interested in bothering about a refund.

> Yeah, the youngest turk has just got this one.
> http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/251948928011?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
>
> It showed up last Thursday and he headed off to Sydney
> on the Explorer service on Sunday to stay with his sister.
>
> He just asked me on facebook about child seats in single
> cab bench seat utes and didn't say anything about it and
> I didn't think to ask him how it was going.
>
> I likely will get one of those or something similar so
> I can have the iphone powered for the garage sale
> run and can use full time Siri to make voice calls with
> the phone and battery backup in my pocket with a
> bluetooth neckband headset so I use the same thing
> whether I am in the car or inside the garage sale.
>
> And can obviously use it in the train or when around Sydney.
>
> I must get off my arse and do the paperwork get
> the pension card so I get the 4 free trips every year.
>
> The kids have just moved into the place they rented,
> older house in Parramatta. Didn't have any trouble
> finding a place to rent and could have had a granny
> flat just round the corner from the relos they were
> camping with in Ryde. Much worse travel wise to
> the work in Parramatta tho. The place in Parramatta
> is pretty well located, easy walk to work, decent parks
> for the midget, quite apart from the Parramatta park
> itself next to where he works.
>
>> Coming back on regular transit train saw a bloke fined $100 for feet
>> on seat by HEAVILY armed female cop and Male partner came down
>> from upstairs seats, I suspect he was dobbed in as all cabins have CCTV.
>> They went straight for him not walk through.
>
> Didn't notice any goons myself, but I didn't use the full trains
> much, just from Central to the two airport stations and back.
> Pretty stuffed with people quite late in the arvo.

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                Re: Opal fare dodging Fred Smith <fred@smith.com> - 2015-12-24 03:29 +0000
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