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Re: Text Files

Subject Re: Text Files
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
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From bartc <bc@freeuk.com>
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Organization virginmedia.com
Date 2018-02-16 20:02 +0000

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On 16/02/2018 15:58, David Brown wrote:
> On 16/02/18 13:42, Malcolm McLean wrote:
> 
>>
>> Now it runs in 0.080 seconds with no optimisation, 0.050
>> seconds on gcc - O3.
> 
> As I said - with different requirements, timing will be different.  More
> stringent formats will favour C (a Python version that works like your
> code - but with the correct offsets - runs about twice as fast as the
> original Python).
> 
>>
>> Note also that the C is more self-documenting.
> 
> Bollocks.

I think he means that C can require you to use simple constructs that 
are universally understood. Lines aren't just mysterious chains of 
method calls.

> The Python code I tested corresponding to the limited problem with
> fixed-format files is:

> The best I got from pypy on my system was about 0.07 seconds from:
> 
> data = open("samples.txt").read()
> linecount = len(data) // 33
> lineno = 0
> maxdiff = 0
> offset = 0
> 
> for i in range(linecount) :
> 	d = ord(data[offset + 30]) * 10 + ord(data[offset + 31]) -
> ord(data[offset + 0]) * 10 - ord(data[offset + 1])
> 	offset += 33
> 	if d > maxdiff :
> 		maxdiff = d
> 		lineno = i
> 
> print(lineno)
> 
> 
> 
> Your C code, after bug-fixes and tweaks to get the line lengths correct,
> took 0.05 seconds.
> 
> 
> We are at the stage here where timing jitter is more significant than
> the differences in speed between the C code and the Python code.

You had to resort to using low-level idioms as used in C to get the best 
results.

Which also has a benefit, as I could directly transcribe the algorithm 
to my languages, which is not usually the case with Python code.

Using a 10-million line, 32-character per line file (with LF 
line-endings otherwise the Python is slowed down significantly 
translating CRLF to LF), I got only 2.5 seconds for PyPy.

My script language managed 1.6 seconds.

While my compiled language (I didn't need to put it through C/gcc) 
managed 0.45 seconds.

So a big difference.

However, it seems PyPy spent nearly all of its time reading in the file, 
and very little on the loop. So perhaps its file handling is less 
efficient on Windows than on its native Unix. Although that didn't 
affect the 0.45 timing much. Normal Python took 10 seconds.

I've learnt however not to give much significance to PyPy timings for 
small benchmarks (like gcc-O3 really); its big thing is loops, and here 
the program largely consists of a loop.

-- 
bartc

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  Re: Text Files Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-02-14 08:47 -0800
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  Re: Text Files Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-02-14 22:51 +0000
    Re: Text Files David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-02-15 11:04 +0100
      Re: Text Files Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-02-15 06:16 -0800
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        Re: Text Files David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-02-15 15:58 +0100
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            Re: Text Files David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-02-15 21:31 +0100
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                Re: Text Files David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-02-16 10:09 +0100
                Re: Text Files bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-02-16 12:57 +0000
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                Re: Text Files David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-02-16 17:07 +0100
                Re: Text Files bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-02-16 20:44 +0000
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                Re: Text Files Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-02-16 15:14 -0800
                Re: Text Files Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-02-16 23:25 +0000
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          Re: Text Files already5chosen@yahoo.com - 2018-02-16 07:19 -0800
            Re: Text Files David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-02-16 17:13 +0100
              Re: Text Files Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2018-02-19 17:55 +0000
                Re: Text Files David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-02-19 19:14 +0100
                Re: Text Files Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-02-19 11:48 -0800
            Re: Text Files Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-02-16 08:14 -0800
              Re: Text Files Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2018-02-17 18:32 -0600
    Re: Text Files jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2018-02-15 22:57 +0100
      Re: Text Files Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-02-15 22:58 +0000
        Re: Text Files bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-02-16 00:19 +0000
          Re: Text Files bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-02-16 02:26 +0000
            Re: Text Files Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-02-16 02:57 +0000
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                Re: Text Files Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-02-16 11:30 +0000
          Re: Text Files David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-02-16 10:36 +0100
            Re: Text Files Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-02-16 11:36 +0000
              Re: Text Files David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-02-16 13:10 +0100
                Re: Text Files bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-02-16 12:25 +0000
                Re: Text Files Ike Naar <ike@iceland.freeshell.org> - 2018-03-06 19:33 +0000
                Re: Text Files bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-03-06 20:55 +0000
                Re: Text Files Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-02-16 04:42 -0800
                Re: Text Files David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-02-16 16:58 +0100
                Re: Text Files bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-02-16 20:02 +0000
                Re: Text Files David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-02-16 21:43 +0100
                Re: Text Files Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-02-17 04:01 -0800
                Re: Text Files bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-02-17 13:10 +0000
                Re: Text Files Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-02-17 05:27 -0800
                Re: Text Files bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-02-17 14:20 +0000
                Re: Text Files Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2018-02-16 09:04 -0700
                Re: Text Files Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-02-16 14:31 +0000
                Re: Text Files Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-02-16 06:42 -0800
                Re: Text Files bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-02-16 14:58 +0000
                Re: Text Files Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-02-16 07:23 -0800
                Re: Text Files Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-02-16 15:24 +0000
              Re: Text Files Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-02-16 04:13 -0800
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                Re: Text Files Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2018-02-20 16:41 +0000
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                Re: Text Files Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2018-02-20 19:16 +0000
  Re: Text Files bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-02-15 12:46 +0000
    Re: Text Files GOTHIER Nathan <nathan.gothier@gmail.com> - 2018-02-15 14:52 +0100
    Re: Text Files Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2018-02-15 17:07 +0300
      Re: Text Files bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-02-15 14:23 +0000
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    Re: Text Files Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-02-15 14:39 +0000
      Re: Text Files bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-02-15 15:43 +0000
        Re: Text Files Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-02-15 20:32 +0000
          Re: Text Files bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-02-15 22:06 +0000
            Re: Text Files GOTHIER Nathan <nathan.gothier@gmail.com> - 2018-02-15 23:12 +0100
            Re: Text Files Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-02-15 15:12 -0800
              Re: Text Files bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-02-15 23:43 +0000
                Re: Text Files Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-02-15 23:54 +0000
            Re: Text Files Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-02-15 23:35 +0000
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            Re: Text Files Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-02-17 02:38 +0000
              Re: Text Files Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2018-02-17 17:26 +1300
                Re: Text Files Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-02-17 11:22 +0000
                Re: Text Files bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-02-17 12:07 +0000
                Re: Text Files Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-02-17 04:17 -0800
                Re: Text Files Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2018-02-17 16:25 +0300
                Re: Text Files Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-02-17 07:35 -0800
                Re: Text Files GOTHIER Nathan <nathan.gothier@gmail.com> - 2018-02-17 15:24 +0100
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                Re: Text Files bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-02-22 00:11 +0000
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                Re: Text Files Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2018-02-21 21:39 -0800
                Re: Text Files Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2018-02-23 03:08 -0600
                Re: Text Files supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-02-23 16:16 -0800
                Re: Text Files Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-02-23 16:46 -0800
                Re: Text Files Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-02-24 02:49 -0800
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                Re: Text Files "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-02-24 14:35 +0000
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                Re: Text Files supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-02-25 15:09 -0800
                Re: Text Files Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-02-25 15:54 -0800
                Re: Text Files supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-02-26 11:04 -0800
                Re: Text Files Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-02-26 11:52 -0800
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                Re: Text Files Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-02-22 05:33 -0800
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                Re: Text Files Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-02-22 07:24 -0800
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        Re: Text Files David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-02-15 21:37 +0100
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  Re: Text Files "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2018-02-15 22:20 +0800
  Re: Text Files "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-02-15 15:24 +0000
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