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Re: The error of the halting problem

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On 6/3/2024 8:58 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 6/3/24 9:51 PM, olcott wrote:
>> On 6/3/2024 8:44 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>> On 6/3/24 8:59 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>> On 6/3/2024 7:55 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>> On 6/3/24 4:53 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>> For any program H that might determine whether programs halt, a
>>>>>> "pathological" program D, called with some input, can pass its own
>>>>>> source and its input to H and then specifically do the opposite of 
>>>>>> what
>>>>>> H predicts D will do. No H can exist that handles this case. 
>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halting_problem
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The way that the halting problem is conventionally understood is 
>>>>>> that H
>>>>>> must correctly answer yes or no to an input that contradicts both
>>>>>> answers, thus H is being asked a question isomorphic to the Liar
>>>>>> Paradox: Is this sentence true or false: "This sentence is not 
>>>>>> true." ?
>>>>>
>>>>> But it doesn't reduce to that, as the decider was fixed in code 
>>>>> first, and then, by using that code, a question is constructed WITH 
>>>>> A RIGHT ANSWER, that just isn't the answer that this decider 
>>>>> happens to give.
>>>>>
>>>>> You just don't seem to understand logic well enough to understand 
>>>>> that not that subtitle difference.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In other words you are trying to get away with saying
>>>> that it is only random chance that H gets the wrong
>>>> answer not that the game is rigged against H.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> There is nothing "random" about it, if there was there would be a 
>>> chance it could get it right.
>>>
>>
>> Then why did you say it was random?
>> "just isn't the answer that this decider happens to give."
> 
> But the answer the decider gives isn't random, because algorithms are 
> not random.
> 

Then explain exactly how this is not deception:
"just isn't the answer that this decider happens to give."

>>
>> When H is asked a yes/no question where both answers are
>> contradicted by its input *IT IS A FREAKING RIGGED GAME*
> 
> But both answers aren't wrong. Remember, the question is built to make a 
> SPECIFIC decider wrong, and by its algorithm, it will give a SPECIFIC 
> answer to each SPECIFIC question.
> 

You can't get away with that head game by pretending
to not understand what infinite an set of H/D pairs is.

I really hope you don't condemn yourself to Hell over this.
But I was just having fun being a Troll... Is Hell worth that?
I myself would not take the chance.

-- 
Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

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The error of the halting problem olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-06-03 15:53 -0500
  Re: The error of the halting problem Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-06-03 20:55 -0400
    Re: The error of the halting problem olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-06-03 19:59 -0500
      Re: The error of the halting problem Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-06-03 21:44 -0400
        Re: The error of the halting problem olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-06-03 20:51 -0500
          Re: The error of the halting problem Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-06-03 21:58 -0400
            Re: The error of the halting problem olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-06-03 21:14 -0500
              Re: The error of the halting problem Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-06-03 22:26 -0400
                Re: The error of the halting problem olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-06-03 21:32 -0500
                Re: The error of the halting problem Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-06-03 22:47 -0400
                Re: The error of the halting problem olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-06-03 21:58 -0500
                Re: The error of the halting problem Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-06-03 23:11 -0400
                Re: The error of the halting problem joes <noreply@example.com> - 2024-06-04 08:29 +0000
                Re: The error of the halting problem --- G is untrue in PA olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-06-04 12:45 -0500
                Re: The error of the halting problem --- G is untrue in PA Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-06-04 21:48 -0400
                Re: The error of the halting problem Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-06-04 12:24 +0300
              Re: The error of the halting problem joes <noreply@example.com> - 2024-06-04 08:27 +0000
      Re: The error of the halting problem Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-06-04 11:09 +0300
  Re: The error of the halting problem Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-06-04 11:00 +0300
    Re: The error of the halting problem olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-06-04 12:28 -0500
      Re: The error of the halting problem Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-06-04 21:48 -0400

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