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Re: The error of the halting problem

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Am Mon, 03 Jun 2024 21:58:06 -0500 schrieb olcott:
> On 6/3/2024 9:47 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>> On 6/3/24 10:32 PM, olcott wrote:
>>> On 6/3/2024 9:26 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>> On 6/3/24 10:14 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>> On 6/3/2024 8:58 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/3/24 9:51 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When H is asked a yes/no question where both answers are
>>>>>>> contradicted by its input *IT IS A FREAKING RIGGED GAME*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But both answers aren't wrong. Remember, the question is built to
>>>>>> make a SPECIFIC decider wrong, and by its algorithm, it will give a
>>>>>> SPECIFIC answer to each SPECIFIC question.
>>>>>>
>>>>> You can't get away with that head game by pretending to not
>>>>> understand what infinite an set of H/D pairs is.
>>>>
>>>> But it doesn't matter.
>>>>
>>> It matters enormously. Once we fully understand that the limits of
>>> computation were always a ruse then we can give computation the
>>> priority that it truly deserves. It might be the life on earth is
>>> killed off because we did not build a semantic lie detector quickly
>>> enough.
>> 
>> But you are working on it wrong, because you just don't understand the
>> actual nature of truth.
> 
> Every expression X that is true on the basis of its meaning can be
> proven untrue by a lack of a connection to the meaning that makes it
> true. *You have understood this better than anyone else*
No. "true expressions can be proven untrue"? There are true but unprovable
sentences (see Gödel). 

> When D is defined to contradict both values that H returns then D is not
> a truth bearer in H in the same way that the Liar Paradox "This sentence
> is not true" is not a truth bearer in English.

-- 
joes

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The error of the halting problem olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-06-03 15:53 -0500
  Re: The error of the halting problem Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-06-03 20:55 -0400
    Re: The error of the halting problem olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-06-03 19:59 -0500
      Re: The error of the halting problem Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-06-03 21:44 -0400
        Re: The error of the halting problem olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-06-03 20:51 -0500
          Re: The error of the halting problem Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-06-03 21:58 -0400
            Re: The error of the halting problem olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-06-03 21:14 -0500
              Re: The error of the halting problem Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-06-03 22:26 -0400
                Re: The error of the halting problem olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-06-03 21:32 -0500
                Re: The error of the halting problem Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-06-03 22:47 -0400
                Re: The error of the halting problem olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-06-03 21:58 -0500
                Re: The error of the halting problem Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-06-03 23:11 -0400
                Re: The error of the halting problem joes <noreply@example.com> - 2024-06-04 08:29 +0000
                Re: The error of the halting problem --- G is untrue in PA olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-06-04 12:45 -0500
                Re: The error of the halting problem --- G is untrue in PA Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-06-04 21:48 -0400
                Re: The error of the halting problem Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-06-04 12:24 +0300
              Re: The error of the halting problem joes <noreply@example.com> - 2024-06-04 08:27 +0000
      Re: The error of the halting problem Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-06-04 11:09 +0300
  Re: The error of the halting problem Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-06-04 11:00 +0300
    Re: The error of the halting problem olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-06-04 12:28 -0500
      Re: The error of the halting problem Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-06-04 21:48 -0400

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