Re: The error of the halting problem

From	olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	comp.theory, sci.logic
Subject	Re: The error of the halting problem
Date	2024-06-03 19:59 -0500
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
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On 6/3/2024 7:55 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 6/3/24 4:53 PM, olcott wrote:
>> For any program H that might determine whether programs halt, a
>> "pathological" program D, called with some input, can pass its own
>> source and its input to H and then specifically do the opposite of what
>> H predicts D will do. No H can exist that handles this case. 
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halting_problem
>>
>> The way that the halting problem is conventionally understood is that H
>> must correctly answer yes or no to an input that contradicts both
>> answers, thus H is being asked a question isomorphic to the Liar
>> Paradox: Is this sentence true or false: "This sentence is not true." ?
> 
> But it doesn't reduce to that, as the decider was fixed in code first, 
> and then, by using that code, a question is constructed WITH A RIGHT 
> ANSWER, that just isn't the answer that this decider happens to give.
> 
> You just don't seem to understand logic well enough to understand that 
> not that subtitle difference.
> 

In other words you are trying to get away with saying
that it is only random chance that H gets the wrong
answer not that the game is rigged against H.


-- 
Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

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The error of the halting problem olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-06-03 15:53 -0500
  Re: The error of the halting problem Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-06-03 20:55 -0400
    Re: The error of the halting problem olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-06-03 19:59 -0500
      Re: The error of the halting problem Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-06-03 21:44 -0400
        Re: The error of the halting problem olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-06-03 20:51 -0500
          Re: The error of the halting problem Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-06-03 21:58 -0400
            Re: The error of the halting problem olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-06-03 21:14 -0500
              Re: The error of the halting problem Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-06-03 22:26 -0400
                Re: The error of the halting problem olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-06-03 21:32 -0500
                Re: The error of the halting problem Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-06-03 22:47 -0400
                Re: The error of the halting problem olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-06-03 21:58 -0500
                Re: The error of the halting problem Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-06-03 23:11 -0400
                Re: The error of the halting problem joes <noreply@example.com> - 2024-06-04 08:29 +0000
                Re: The error of the halting problem --- G is untrue in PA olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-06-04 12:45 -0500
                Re: The error of the halting problem --- G is untrue in PA Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-06-04 21:48 -0400
                Re: The error of the halting problem Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-06-04 12:24 +0300
              Re: The error of the halting problem joes <noreply@example.com> - 2024-06-04 08:27 +0000
      Re: The error of the halting problem Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-06-04 11:09 +0300
  Re: The error of the halting problem Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-06-04 11:00 +0300
    Re: The error of the halting problem olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-06-04 12:28 -0500
      Re: The error of the halting problem Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-06-04 21:48 -0400

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