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Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home

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Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> On 11/4/15, 10:55 AM, in article shgue92.a0@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>> owl wrote:
>>>>> "owl" <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>  "John Gohde" <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> How about sending all of these people home and out of
>>>>>>>> the United States for good?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sounds good. Let's start with the Europeans! Give the land
>>>>>>> back to the natives and get rid of all the illegal aliens!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> What "natives"?
>>>> 
>>>> There are no "Native Americans."
>>> 
>>> The conventional definition is that the indigenous population
>>> when the Continent was discovered by the Europeans.
>>> 
>>> However, the more recent pushback against this is that these
>>> peoples themselves had migrated across the Bering Sea, so they
>>> supposedly don't "count".
>>> 
>> 
>> Exactly.
>> 
>>> However, the flaw in this logic, stems from how all Europeans
>>> also were migrants from Africa, so extending this to its rational
>>> conclusion would mean that everyone in the world would have to
>>> back to the Rift Valley, leaving 98% of the world unpopulated
>>> by humans.
>>> 
>> 
>> How is that a "flaw"?  Being an inconvenient fact does not
>> make it a flaw.
>> 
>>> In any case, an alternate interpretation of 'native' and one
>>> which has greater validity is that whoever was already present
>>> during the US Revolutionary War are whose descendants today
>>> have the sole right to the land ... and the litmus test here
>>> is actually quite straightforward:  one requires a descendant
>>> who has been confirmed as valid by the DAR (Daughters of the
>>> American Revolution).
>>> 
>>> So unless you can prove your family has been in the USA for at
>>> least seven (7) generations ... stop being a hypocrite & leave.
>>> 
>> 
>> Any definition of "Native Americans" as a peoples would allow Neil
>> Armstrong's descendants to be considered "Lunar Natives" since he "got
>> there first."  The only definition of "Native American" that makes any
>> sense is "born in America."  If you were born here, you are a native.
>> If you weren't, you're not.
>> 
> 
> Are you trying to argue you TRULY do not know what is meant by a native
> American? 
> 
> If so, I think this should do well enough to help you:
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_Americans_in_the_United_States>
>     -----
>     In the United States, Native Americans are considered to be people
>     whose pre-Columbian ancestors were indigenous to the lands within
>     the nation's modern boundaries. These peoples were composed of
>     numerous distinct tribes, bands, and ethnic groups, and many of
>     these groups survive intact today as sovereign nations. The terms
>     Native Americans use to refer to themselves vary regionally and
>     generationally, with many older Native Americans self-identifying
>     as "Indians" or "American Indians", while younger Native Americans
>     often identify as "Indigenous". Which terms should be used to
>     refer to Native Americans has at times been controversial. The
>     term "Native American" has been adopted by major newspapers and
>     some academic groups, but has not traditionally included Native
>     Hawaiians or certain Alaskan Natives, such as Aleut, Yup'ik, or
>     Inuit peoples. Indigenous American peoples from Canada are known
>     as First Nations.
>     -----

So your response to my claim that a definition is wrong is to present 
me with that definition?  Does your brain work?

All the so-called "Native Americans" are descendants of people who
themselves migrated here.  The only true "Native Americans" are people
who were born in America.  Period.

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More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-11-03 16:03 -0800
  Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home Takuya Saitoh <taka0038@gmail.com> - 2015-11-03 17:36 -0800
    Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-11-03 19:25 -0800
  Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-03 19:24 -0700
    Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-11-03 19:23 -0800
    Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-04 17:09 -0700
      Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-05 13:02 -0700
        Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-06 16:32 -0700
          Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-06 19:53 -0700
  Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-04 02:33 +0000
    Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-04 03:10 +0000
      Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-11-04 06:49 -0800
        These nice native Americans started the blood bath, first John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-11-04 07:08 -0800
          Re: These nice native Americans started the blood bath, first Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-04 07:34 -0800
            I always knew that Steve Carroll was tard.  Thanks for proving it, once again. John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-11-04 13:12 -0800
          Re: These nice native Americans started the blood bath, first -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-11-04 14:52 -0800
            Re: These nice native Americans started the blood bath, first John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-11-04 16:15 -0800
              Re: These nice native Americans started the blood bath, first Takuya Saitoh <taka0038@gmail.com> - 2015-11-04 17:26 -0800
                Re: These nice native Americans started the blood bath, first DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-11-05 09:32 -0500
          the Native Americans, as represented by the Aztec, being butchered and exterminated by the Spaniards was a good thing. John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 02:21 -0800
            Re: the Native Americans, as represented by the Aztec, being butchered and exterminated by the Spaniards was a good thing. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-05 11:39 +0100
              Re: the Native Americans, as represented by the Aztec, being butchered and exterminated by the Spaniards was a good thing. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-11-05 07:18 -0800
                Re: the Native Americans, as represented by the Aztec, being butchered and exterminated by the Spaniards was a good thing. John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 07:47 -0800
                Re: the Native Americans, as represented by the Aztec, being butchered and exterminated by the Spaniards was a good thing. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-05 17:49 +0100
                Re: the Native Americans, as represented by the Aztec, being butchered and exterminated by the Spaniards was a good thing. John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 08:57 -0800
                Re: the Native Americans, as represented by the Aztec, being butchered and exterminated by the Spaniards was a good thing. ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 22:23 +0000
              Re: the Native Americans, as represented by the Aztec, being butchered and exterminated by the Spaniards was a good thing. ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 22:16 +0000
                Re: the Native Americans, as represented by the Aztec, being butchered and exterminated by the Spaniards was a good thing. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-11-05 14:53 -0800
        Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-04 17:55 +0000
          Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-04 18:23 +0000
            Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-04 19:00 +0000
              Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-04 19:28 +0000
                Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-04 20:19 +0000
                Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-04 20:34 +0000
                Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-04 20:53 +0000
                Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-04 22:08 +0000
                Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-11-04 13:13 -0800
                Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home Big Fish in a Small Crotch <bigfishinasmallcrotch@myself.com> - 2015-11-04 16:18 -0500
              Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-04 12:06 -0800
          Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-11-04 14:30 -0800
            Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-04 22:47 +0000
          Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-04 17:12 -0700
            Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home Big Fish in a Small Crotch <bigfishinasmallcrotch@myself.com> - 2015-11-04 20:38 -0500
              Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-04 21:26 -0500
    Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home Takuya Saitoh <taka0038@gmail.com> - 2015-11-03 21:25 -0800
  Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-11-04 14:21 -0600

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