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Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home

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Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> On 11/4/15, 12:00 PM, in article ghnvmdie9.3a@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>> On 11/4/15, 11:23 AM, in article sngbcur74.ki@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
>>> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>> Are you trying to argue you TRULY do not know what is meant by a native
>>>>> American? 
>>>>> 
>>>>> If so, I think this should do well enough to help you:
>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_Americans_in_the_United_States>
>>>>>     -----
>>>>>     In the United States, Native Americans are considered to be people
>>>>>     whose pre-Columbian ancestors were indigenous to the lands within
>>>>>     the nation's modern boundaries. These peoples were composed of
>>>>>     numerous distinct tribes, bands, and ethnic groups, and many of
>>>>>     these groups survive intact today as sovereign nations. The terms
>>>>>     Native Americans use to refer to themselves vary regionally and
>>>>>     generationally, with many older Native Americans self-identifying
>>>>>     as "Indians" or "American Indians", while younger Native Americans
>>>>>     often identify as "Indigenous". Which terms should be used to
>>>>>     refer to Native Americans has at times been controversial. The
>>>>>     term "Native American" has been adopted by major newspapers and
>>>>>     some academic groups, but has not traditionally included Native
>>>>>     Hawaiians or certain Alaskan Natives, such as Aleut, Yup'ik, or
>>>>>     Inuit peoples. Indigenous American peoples from Canada are known
>>>>>     as First Nations.
>>>>>     -----
>>>> 
>>>> So your response to my claim that a definition is wrong is to present
>>>> me with that definition?  Does your brain work?
>>> 
>>> So you reject a term because you want to say the definition is wrong. Um, at
>>> that point I think we have to pretty much just say the conversation is over.
>> 
>> "At that point"?  That "point" was the start of the discussion.
> 
> OK, you have nothing to add to a conversation about Native Americans. I can
> accept that.
>

I'm a Native American.  My ancestors were German/Swiss, but I was born
here.  That makes me a native.
 
>>> You do not accept the very concept being used... there is no way to go
>>> forward.
>> 
>> Sure there is.  Defend the definition.  If you cannot defend the definition,
>> then you must accept that it is wrong.
> 
> They are the natives. Europeans and others are not. Done.
> 

Anyone born in the US is a Native American.  Period.

> This, of course, does not imply that long ago in history they also did not
> come from other places - but if you go back far enough we all came from the
> Big Bang (or whatever started our universe... and, heck, if there is a
> before that then we can go back even earlier). Such regressions into forever
> take us nowhere.
> 
>>>> All the so-called "Native Americans" are descendants of people who
>>>> themselves migrated here.  The only true "Native Americans" are people
>>>> who were born in America.  Period.
>>> 
>>> Maybe the word "indigenous" would help you to understand what is meant by a
>>> Native American?
>> 
>> I am indigenous to the US.  Are you?
> 
> No, I am a European American, born in the US but none of my
> great-grandparents were. I am not indigenous to the Americas.

Yes, you are.

> Apparently
> GreyCloud is... or so he claims and I have no reason to doubt.
> 
> So for those who want all the illegal foreigners gone, he gets to stay and
> we all have to leave. :)
> 

You are wrong.  "Born here" == "Native"

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More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-11-03 16:03 -0800
  Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home Takuya Saitoh <taka0038@gmail.com> - 2015-11-03 17:36 -0800
    Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-11-03 19:25 -0800
  Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-03 19:24 -0700
    Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-11-03 19:23 -0800
    Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-04 17:09 -0700
      Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-05 13:02 -0700
        Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-06 16:32 -0700
          Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-06 19:53 -0700
  Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-04 02:33 +0000
    Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-04 03:10 +0000
      Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-11-04 06:49 -0800
        These nice native Americans started the blood bath, first John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-11-04 07:08 -0800
          Re: These nice native Americans started the blood bath, first Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-04 07:34 -0800
            I always knew that Steve Carroll was tard.  Thanks for proving it, once again. John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-11-04 13:12 -0800
          Re: These nice native Americans started the blood bath, first -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-11-04 14:52 -0800
            Re: These nice native Americans started the blood bath, first John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-11-04 16:15 -0800
              Re: These nice native Americans started the blood bath, first Takuya Saitoh <taka0038@gmail.com> - 2015-11-04 17:26 -0800
                Re: These nice native Americans started the blood bath, first DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-11-05 09:32 -0500
          the Native Americans, as represented by the Aztec, being butchered and exterminated by the Spaniards was a good thing. John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 02:21 -0800
            Re: the Native Americans, as represented by the Aztec, being butchered and exterminated by the Spaniards was a good thing. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-05 11:39 +0100
              Re: the Native Americans, as represented by the Aztec, being butchered and exterminated by the Spaniards was a good thing. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-11-05 07:18 -0800
                Re: the Native Americans, as represented by the Aztec, being butchered and exterminated by the Spaniards was a good thing. John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 07:47 -0800
                Re: the Native Americans, as represented by the Aztec, being butchered and exterminated by the Spaniards was a good thing. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-05 17:49 +0100
                Re: the Native Americans, as represented by the Aztec, being butchered and exterminated by the Spaniards was a good thing. John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 08:57 -0800
                Re: the Native Americans, as represented by the Aztec, being butchered and exterminated by the Spaniards was a good thing. ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 22:23 +0000
              Re: the Native Americans, as represented by the Aztec, being butchered and exterminated by the Spaniards was a good thing. ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 22:16 +0000
                Re: the Native Americans, as represented by the Aztec, being butchered and exterminated by the Spaniards was a good thing. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-11-05 14:53 -0800
        Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-04 17:55 +0000
          Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-04 18:23 +0000
            Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-04 19:00 +0000
              Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-04 19:28 +0000
                Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-04 20:19 +0000
                Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-04 20:34 +0000
                Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-04 20:53 +0000
                Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-04 22:08 +0000
                Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-11-04 13:13 -0800
                Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home Big Fish in a Small Crotch <bigfishinasmallcrotch@myself.com> - 2015-11-04 16:18 -0500
              Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-04 12:06 -0800
          Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-11-04 14:30 -0800
            Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-04 22:47 +0000
          Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-04 17:12 -0700
            Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home Big Fish in a Small Crotch <bigfishinasmallcrotch@myself.com> - 2015-11-04 20:38 -0500
              Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-04 21:26 -0500
    Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home Takuya Saitoh <taka0038@gmail.com> - 2015-11-03 21:25 -0800
  Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-11-04 14:21 -0600

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