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Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home

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Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> On 11/4/15, 1:19 PM, in article fhdsu03.faef@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>> On 11/4/15, 12:28 PM, in article s968y.jhkfi@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
>>> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ...
>>>>>> "At that point"?  That "point" was the start of the discussion.
>>>>> 
>>>>> OK, you have nothing to add to a conversation about Native Americans. I can
>>>>> accept that. 
>>>> 
>>>> I'm a Native American.  My ancestors were German/Swiss, but I was born
>>>> here.  That makes me a native.
>>> 
>>> Word play can be fun, sure. But not useful for the discussion.
>>> 
>>>>>>> You do not accept the very concept being used... there is no way to go
>>>>>>> forward.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sure there is.  Defend the definition.  If you cannot defend the
>>>>>> definition,
>>>>>> then you must accept that it is wrong.
>>>>> 
>>>>> They are the natives. Europeans and others are not. Done.
>>>> 
>>>> Anyone born in the US is a Native American.  Period.
>>> 
>>> Again, not accurate.
>>> 
>>>>> This, of course, does not imply that long ago in history they also did not
>>>>> come from other places - but if you go back far enough we all came from the
>>>>> Big Bang (or whatever started our universe... and, heck, if there is a
>>>>> before that then we can go back even earlier). Such regressions into
>>>>> forever
>>>>> take us nowhere.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> All the so-called "Native Americans" are descendants of people who
>>>>>>>> themselves migrated here.  The only true "Native Americans" are people
>>>>>>>> who were born in America.  Period.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Maybe the word "indigenous" would help you to understand what is meant by
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> Native American?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am indigenous to the US.  Are you?
>>>>> 
>>>>> No, I am a European American, born in the US but none of my
>>>>> great-grandparents were. I am not indigenous to the Americas.
>>>> 
>>>> Yes, you are.
>>> 
>>> Nope.
>>> 
>>>>> Apparently
>>>>> GreyCloud is... or so he claims and I have no reason to doubt.
>>>>> 
>>>>> So for those who want all the illegal foreigners gone, he gets to stay and
>>>>> we all have to leave. :)
>>>> 
>>>> You are wrong.  "Born here" == "Native"
>>> 
>>> Nice word play! But not useful.
>>> 
>> 
>> It doesn't matter if you have a use for the truth or not.  It still hurts, I
>> see.
>> 
> 
> If you find that the truth hurts then maybe you should reevaluate your
> views.

I'm not hurt by the truth that I am an "Native American" by virtue of
having been born in America.  You are hurt by that truth though.

> Then again, sometimes reality can lead to painful situations - but
> this is all very much off topic.
> 
> Not even sure what point, if any, you are trying to make.
> 
> To get back to the initial point: for those who say they want foreigners to
> leave America, and even go so far as to say that those born in the US are
> not citizens if their parents were not, then they should give the land back
> to the TRUE historic natives, the American Indians / Native Americans.
>

http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/man-who-wrote-14th-amendment-explains-it-liberals-are-furious/
<quote> 
Howard wrote ???that every person born within the limits of the United
States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural
law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of
course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners,
aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers
accredited to the government of the United States, but will include
every other class of persons.???
</quote> 


> From this you went off on trying to pretend you are a Native American
> because you were born here, which is comparable word play to my saying I am
> an African American because all of humanity, apparently, can trace back to
> Africa. In a sense one can argue it is correct, but it removes all
> usefulness from the term and is simply word play.
> 

If you want to call yourself "African American" that's fine with me.

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More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-11-03 16:03 -0800
  Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home Takuya Saitoh <taka0038@gmail.com> - 2015-11-03 17:36 -0800
    Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-11-03 19:25 -0800
  Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-03 19:24 -0700
    Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-11-03 19:23 -0800
    Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-04 17:09 -0700
      Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-05 13:02 -0700
        Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-06 16:32 -0700
          Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-06 19:53 -0700
  Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-04 02:33 +0000
    Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-04 03:10 +0000
      Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-11-04 06:49 -0800
        These nice native Americans started the blood bath, first John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-11-04 07:08 -0800
          Re: These nice native Americans started the blood bath, first Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-04 07:34 -0800
            I always knew that Steve Carroll was tard.  Thanks for proving it, once again. John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-11-04 13:12 -0800
          Re: These nice native Americans started the blood bath, first -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-11-04 14:52 -0800
            Re: These nice native Americans started the blood bath, first John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-11-04 16:15 -0800
              Re: These nice native Americans started the blood bath, first Takuya Saitoh <taka0038@gmail.com> - 2015-11-04 17:26 -0800
                Re: These nice native Americans started the blood bath, first DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-11-05 09:32 -0500
          the Native Americans, as represented by the Aztec, being butchered and exterminated by the Spaniards was a good thing. John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 02:21 -0800
            Re: the Native Americans, as represented by the Aztec, being butchered and exterminated by the Spaniards was a good thing. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-05 11:39 +0100
              Re: the Native Americans, as represented by the Aztec, being butchered and exterminated by the Spaniards was a good thing. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-11-05 07:18 -0800
                Re: the Native Americans, as represented by the Aztec, being butchered and exterminated by the Spaniards was a good thing. John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 07:47 -0800
                Re: the Native Americans, as represented by the Aztec, being butchered and exterminated by the Spaniards was a good thing. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-05 17:49 +0100
                Re: the Native Americans, as represented by the Aztec, being butchered and exterminated by the Spaniards was a good thing. John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 08:57 -0800
                Re: the Native Americans, as represented by the Aztec, being butchered and exterminated by the Spaniards was a good thing. ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 22:23 +0000
              Re: the Native Americans, as represented by the Aztec, being butchered and exterminated by the Spaniards was a good thing. ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 22:16 +0000
                Re: the Native Americans, as represented by the Aztec, being butchered and exterminated by the Spaniards was a good thing. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-11-05 14:53 -0800
        Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-04 17:55 +0000
          Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-04 18:23 +0000
            Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-04 19:00 +0000
              Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-04 19:28 +0000
                Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-04 20:19 +0000
                Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-04 20:34 +0000
                Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-04 20:53 +0000
                Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-04 22:08 +0000
                Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-11-04 13:13 -0800
                Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home Big Fish in a Small Crotch <bigfishinasmallcrotch@myself.com> - 2015-11-04 16:18 -0500
              Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-04 12:06 -0800
          Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-11-04 14:30 -0800
            Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-04 22:47 +0000
          Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-04 17:12 -0700
            Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home Big Fish in a Small Crotch <bigfishinasmallcrotch@myself.com> - 2015-11-04 20:38 -0500
              Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-04 21:26 -0500
    Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home Takuya Saitoh <taka0038@gmail.com> - 2015-11-03 21:25 -0800
  Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-11-04 14:21 -0600

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