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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.physics.relativity |
| Subject | Re: How does gravity slow time? |
| Date | 2018-12-20 22:53 +0000 |
| Organization | Aioe.org NNTP Server |
| Message-ID | <pvh6gp$dqv$1@gioia.aioe.org> (permalink) |
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kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote: > On Thursday, December 20, 2018 at 10:48:42 AM UTC-5, Odd Bodkin wrote: >> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote: >>> On Wednesday, December 19, 2018 at 9:35:51 PM UTC-5, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote: >>>>> On Wednesday, December 19, 2018 at 2:00:45 PM UTC-5, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote: >>>>>>> On Wednesday, December 19, 2018 at 9:17:18 AM UTC-5, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>>>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Monday, December 17, 2018 at 9:23:14 PM UTC-5, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>>>>>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, December 17, 2018 at 12:47:17 PM UTC-5, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, December 16, 2018 at 5:25:54 PM UTC-5, JanPB wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, December 15, 2018 at 3:22:27 PM UTC-8, kenseto wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The above question was asked in Quora an my answer is as follows: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Before I answer this question I will give a brief definition of time: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only time exists is Absolute Time. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can say anything you want but you need to back it up. Current theories >>>>>>>>>>>>>> happen >>>>>>>>>>>>>> not to rely on absolute time. This may >>>>>>>>>>>>>> change in the future, of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> course, but for now >>>>>>>>>>>>>> no such viable theory exists. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The LT agrees with what I said. A clock second on a moving clock is >>>>>>>>>>>>> corresponded to gamma seconds on the observer’s clock. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> That is not at all what the LT says. I’m not surprised you would make this >>>>>>>>>>>> mistake because you don’t understand what mathematical equations say. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> You are a woodworker.....you don’t know what the LT says. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Bullshit. It’s easy to know what the LT says. All you have to do is READ. >>>>>>>>>> You don’t do that. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Then tell us what the following equation says: >>>>>>>>> Delta(t’)=gamma*Delta(t) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> See? You are confessing that you have not read any physics book that >>>>>>>> describes what this means. I have. You haven’t. It’s as simple as that. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Just answer the question, cut out the bullshit. >>>>>> >>>>>> Had you read a single book on the subject, you would know this: Given two >>>>>> events in the unprimed frame that occur in the same place (in that frame) >>>>>> and are separated in time by delta(t) in that frame, then in a different >>>>>> primed frame in which those same events do not occur in the same place, >>>>>> they will be separated in time by an amount delta(t’) given by the relation >>>>>> above. >>>>> >>>>> So what is wrong with my explanation that 1 second in the primed frame is >>>>> worth gamma seconds in the unprimed frame? >>>> >>>> That’s not what the LT means. >>>> I’ve just told you what the equation you wrote down means. >>>> It has nothing to do with what seconds are worth. >>> >>> Idiot what I said is the simplified form of what you said. >> >> No, what you said is an INCORRECT version of what I said. > > It is what you said. >> >> >>> Consider the beginning of a second is event 1 and the end of a second is event 2. >> >> You are missing the part about events happening at the same location in the >> unprimed frame and at different location in the primed frame. “A second” >> does not have a location. An event does. > > My watches at the same location in my frame (the unprimed frame). > Your watch is at different location in the your primed frame. The > beginning of a second on my watch is a location and at the end of a > second is another location. See? You cannot read. You do not understand the plain English I typed. It’s hopeless. I’m not conversing with someone who understands English. >> >> It is not possible to describe this equation correctly without events and >> their details. Your attempt to do so results in your statement becoming >> wrong. > > It is possible--your assertion is not valid. > >> You MUST learn the basic concepts. Any bypassing of that will result in you >> making mistakes. >> >>> In the unprimed frame: >>> Delta(t)=(0,t)=Delta(t) >>> In the primed frame: >>> Delta(t’)=(0,t’)=Delta(t’) >>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> But you haven’t read a single damn book on the subject and do you have no >>>>>> idea what the LT says. >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You don’t know what that equation means because you don’t understand math, >>>>>>>> and you’ve not read any physics books. You only pretend. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I will give the meaning of this equation in my theory after you give your answer. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Nobody cares what the equations mean in your theory, any more than they >>>>>> care that words mean completely different things in your theory. >>>>>> >>>>>> The question was what the LTs mean, which you claimed to know but you >>>>>> don’t. You had to beg somebody to explain them to you here. And you STILL >>>>>> don’t know what they mean, even after I just told you. Because you can’t >>>>>> read. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables > -- Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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