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Re: How does gravity slow time?

From	Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: How does gravity slow time?
Date	2018-12-20 02:35 +0000
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kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 19, 2018 at 2:00:45 PM UTC-5, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, December 19, 2018 at 9:17:18 AM UTC-5, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, December 17, 2018 at 9:23:14 PM UTC-5, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Monday, December 17, 2018 at 12:47:17 PM UTC-5, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, December 16, 2018 at 5:25:54 PM UTC-5, JanPB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, December 15, 2018 at 3:22:27 PM UTC-8, kenseto wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> The above question was asked in Quora an my answer is as follows:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Before I answer this question I will give a brief definition of time:
>>>>>>>>>>> The only time exists is Absolute Time.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> You can say anything you want but you need to back it up. Current theories happen
>>>>>>>>>> not to rely on absolute time. This may change in the future, of
>>>>>>>>>> course, but for now
>>>>>>>>>> no such viable theory exists.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> The LT agrees with what I said. A clock second on a moving clock is
>>>>>>>>> corresponded to gamma seconds on the observer’s clock. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> That is not at all what the LT says. I’m not surprised you would make this
>>>>>>>> mistake because you don’t understand what mathematical equations say. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> You are a woodworker.....you don’t know what the LT says.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Bullshit. It’s easy to know what the LT says. All you have to do is READ.
>>>>>> You don’t do that. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Then tell us what the following equation says:
>>>>> Delta(t’)=gamma*Delta(t)
>>>> 
>>>> See? You are confessing that you have not read any physics book that
>>>> describes what this means. I have. You haven’t. It’s as simple as that. 
>>> 
>>> Just answer the question, cut out the bullshit.
>> 
>> Had you read a single book on the subject, you would know this: Given two
>> events in the unprimed frame that occur in the same place (in that frame)
>> and are separated in time by delta(t) in that frame, then in a different
>> primed frame in which those same events do not occur in the same place,
>> they will be separated in time by an amount delta(t’) given by the relation
>> above. 
> 
> So what is wrong with my explanation that 1 second in the primed frame is
> worth gamma seconds in the unprimed frame?

That’s not what the LT means. 
I’ve just told you what the equation you wrote down means. 
It has nothing to do with what seconds are worth. 

> 
>> 
>> But you haven’t read a single damn book on the subject and do you have no
>> idea what the LT says. 
>> 
>>> 
>>>> You don’t know what that equation means because you don’t understand math,
>>>> and you’ve not read any physics books. You only pretend. 
>>> 
>>> I will give the meaning of this equation in my theory after you give your answer.
>>> 
>> 
>> Nobody cares what the equations mean in your theory, any more than they
>> care that words mean completely different things in your theory. 
>> 
>> The question was what the LTs mean, which you claimed to know but you
>> don’t. You had to beg somebody to explain them to you here. And you STILL
>> don’t know what they mean, even after I just told you. Because you can’t
>> read. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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How does gravity slow time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-15 15:22 -0800
  Re: How does gravity slow time? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-16 00:30 +0100
    Re: How does gravity slow time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-16 06:04 -0800
      Re: How does gravity slow time? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-16 15:28 +0100
  Re: How does gravity slow time? alsor@interia.pl - 2018-12-15 15:44 -0800
    Re: How does gravity slow time? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-12-15 16:17 -0800
  Re: How does gravity slow time? Scott Richman <sunn@idhnonow.iv> - 2018-12-16 01:02 +0000
    Re: How does gravity slow time? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-12-16 20:14 -0800
  Re: How does gravity slow time? Alan Folmsbee <omnilobe@gmail.com> - 2018-12-15 20:54 -0800
  Re: How does gravity slow time? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-12-16 00:05 -0600
    Re: How does gravity slow time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-16 06:16 -0800
      Re: How does gravity slow time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-16 14:22 +0000
    Re: How does gravity slow time? alsor@interia.pl - 2018-12-16 13:08 -0800
      Re: How does gravity slow time? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-12-16 13:56 -0800
        Re: How does gravity slow time? alsor@interia.pl - 2018-12-16 14:29 -0800
          Re: How does gravity slow time? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-12-16 14:32 -0800
    Re: How does gravity slow time? Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-12-16 19:36 -0800
      Re: How does gravity slow time? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-12-16 23:57 -0600
        Re: How does gravity slow time? "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-12-16 22:08 -0800
        Re: How does gravity slow time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-17 05:58 -0800
        Re: How does gravity slow time? Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-12-17 10:29 -0800
          Re: How does gravity slow time? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-12-20 20:42 -0600
            Re: How does gravity slow time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-21 06:30 -0800
  Re: How does gravity slow time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-16 06:15 +0000
    Re: How does gravity slow time? "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-12-16 06:14 -0800
    Re: How does gravity slow time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-16 06:17 -0800
      Re: How does gravity slow time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-16 14:26 +0000
        Re: How does gravity slow time? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-12-16 14:30 -0800
      Re: How does gravity slow time? "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-12-16 06:27 -0800
  How does gravity slow time? "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-12-16 09:22 -0800
    Re: How does gravity slow time? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-12-16 11:58 -0800
  Re: How does gravity slow time? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-12-16 14:25 -0800
    Re: How does gravity slow time? alsor@interia.pl - 2018-12-16 14:44 -0800
      Re: How does gravity slow time? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-12-16 15:21 -0800
      Re: How does gravity slow time? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-12-16 15:24 -0800
        Re: How does gravity slow time? alsor@interia.pl - 2018-12-16 16:05 -0800
          Re: How does gravity slow time? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-12-17 01:14 -0800
            Re: How does gravity slow time? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-12-17 06:43 -0800
            Re: How does gravity slow time? alsor@interia.pl - 2018-12-17 09:52 -0800
              Re: How does gravity slow time? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-12-17 11:53 -0800
                Re: How does gravity slow time? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-12-17 14:55 -0600
                Re: How does gravity slow time? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-12-17 15:41 -0800
                Re: How does gravity slow time? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-12-17 23:32 -0800
                Re: How does gravity slow time? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-12-17 17:21 -0800
                Re: How does gravity slow time? alsor@interia.pl - 2018-12-18 08:47 -0800
                Re: How does gravity slow time? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-12-19 14:04 -0800
                Re: How does gravity slow time? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-12-19 14:13 -0800
                Re: How does gravity slow time? alsor@interia.pl - 2018-12-20 13:36 -0800
                Re: How does gravity slow time? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-12-20 14:43 -0800
                Re: How does gravity slow time? Scott Richman <sunn@idhnonow.iv> - 2018-12-20 23:46 +0000
                Re: How does gravity slow time? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-12-20 16:31 -0800
                Re: How does gravity slow time? Scott Richman <sunn@idhnonow.iv> - 2018-12-21 13:56 +0000
    Re: How does gravity slow time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-17 06:58 -0800
      Re: How does gravity slow time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-17 17:47 +0000
        Re: How does gravity slow time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-17 14:41 -0800
          Re: How does gravity slow time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-18 02:23 +0000
            Re: How does gravity slow time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-18 06:13 -0800
              Re: How does gravity slow time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-19 14:17 +0000
                Re: How does gravity slow time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-19 07:06 -0800
                Re: How does gravity slow time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-19 15:18 +0000
                Re: How does gravity slow time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-19 19:00 +0000
                Re: How does gravity slow time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-19 13:16 -0800
                Re: How does gravity slow time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-20 02:35 +0000
                Re: How does gravity slow time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-20 07:24 -0800
                Re: How does gravity slow time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-20 15:48 +0000
                Re: How does gravity slow time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-20 13:26 -0800
                Re: How does gravity slow time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-20 22:53 +0000
                Re: How does gravity slow time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-19 19:00 +0000
          Re: How does gravity slow time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-19 14:17 +0000
            Re: How does gravity slow time? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-12-19 06:21 -0800
      Re: How does gravity slow time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-17 19:01 +0000
        Re: How does gravity slow time? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-12-17 11:40 -0800
        Re: How does gravity slow time? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-12-17 11:44 -0800
        Re: How does gravity slow time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-17 15:17 -0800
          Re: How does gravity slow time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-18 04:50 +0000
            Re: How does gravity slow time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-18 07:27 -0800
      Re: How does gravity slow time? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-12-17 11:55 -0800
  Re: How does gravity slow time? Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> - 2018-12-17 08:21 +0100
    Re: How does gravity slow time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-17 06:15 -0800
      Re: How does gravity slow time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-17 18:49 +0000
        Re: How does gravity slow time? Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-12-17 12:18 -0800
        Re: How does gravity slow time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-17 15:00 -0800
          Re: How does gravity slow time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-18 04:24 +0000
            Re: How does gravity slow time? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-12-17 23:35 -0800
            Re: How does gravity slow time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-18 06:57 -0800

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