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Re: How does gravity slow time?

From	moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: How does gravity slow time?
Date	2018-12-18 04:24 +0000
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kenseto <setoken@att.net> writes:

>On Monday, December 17, 2018 at 1:49:14 PM UTC-5, Michael Moroney wrote:
>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> writes:

>> >> >Before I answer this question I will give a brief definition of time:
>> >> >The only time exists is Absolute Time. The passage of Absolute Time 
>> >> >is insensitive to gravity or motion.
>> >> >..........

>> >> HOW DO YOU KNOW?

>> >Proper time is absolute time:

>> No, Stupid Ken. Quit making up your own definitions. Proper time is the
>> time on a clock co-moving with the observer. It is not Absolute Time
>> because there is no such thing, despite your unsupported assertions.

>Moron, a proper second on any clock is a clock second at its location. A 
>proper second on any clock represents a specific amount of absolute time 

Your assertion is not a valid argument. "Proper second" is meaningless
gobbledygook, since here is only one kind of second.

>and this amount of absolute time is related via the LT.

Your assertion is not a valid argument. Plus there is no such thing as
absolute time in the Lorentz Transform.

>For example: a proper second on my clock is worth 1/gamma second of 
>proper time on your clock.

Once again, you aren't using the term 'proper time' correctly. "Proper
second" is gobbledygook. There is only one kind of second.

>> > the LT says that a clock second of proper time on a moving clock is
>> >worth gamma seconds of proper time on the observer's clock.

>> No, Stupid Ken. There can only be one proper time here, and it is that
>> of the observer's clock (by definition).

>> The LT says the observer will see the moving clock as running slow by a
>> factor of gamma.  It also says that an observer moving with the moving
>> clock will see the first clock as running slow, by a factor of gamma.

>You need to get rid of this "SEE" business. No observer sees the clock 
>rate of any moving clock.

They can, depending on the type of clock (doesn't have to be something
that resembles Big Ben) and the type of communication.

But regardless, replace "see" with "observe", "measure" etc. if "see" 
bothers you that much.

> He predicts the rate of a moving clock.by the SR

Prediction is meaningless. I predict nice men in clean white suits with a
giant butterfly net will come tomorrow to take you back to the asylum.

>Also you need to get rid of the faulty reciprocal clock rates as assumed 
>by SR.

Not "assumed", this is a measured result.

> In real life clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at 
>different rates.

Your assertions are not a valid argument.

>> > This means
>> >that a clock second does not contain the same
>> >amount of proper time (absolute time)

>> No, Ken. As long as you keep making the same stupid mistakes over and over,
>> you'll continue to be wrong, again and again.

>You are a moron, there is no hope for you.

You shouldn't address yourself in the second person like that.

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How does gravity slow time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-15 15:22 -0800
  Re: How does gravity slow time? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-16 00:30 +0100
    Re: How does gravity slow time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-16 06:04 -0800
      Re: How does gravity slow time? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-16 15:28 +0100
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    Re: How does gravity slow time? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-12-15 16:17 -0800
  Re: How does gravity slow time? Scott Richman <sunn@idhnonow.iv> - 2018-12-16 01:02 +0000
    Re: How does gravity slow time? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-12-16 20:14 -0800
  Re: How does gravity slow time? Alan Folmsbee <omnilobe@gmail.com> - 2018-12-15 20:54 -0800
  Re: How does gravity slow time? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-12-16 00:05 -0600
    Re: How does gravity slow time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-16 06:16 -0800
      Re: How does gravity slow time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-16 14:22 +0000
    Re: How does gravity slow time? alsor@interia.pl - 2018-12-16 13:08 -0800
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        Re: How does gravity slow time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-17 05:58 -0800
        Re: How does gravity slow time? Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-12-17 10:29 -0800
          Re: How does gravity slow time? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-12-20 20:42 -0600
            Re: How does gravity slow time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-21 06:30 -0800
  Re: How does gravity slow time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-16 06:15 +0000
    Re: How does gravity slow time? "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-12-16 06:14 -0800
    Re: How does gravity slow time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-16 06:17 -0800
      Re: How does gravity slow time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-16 14:26 +0000
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      Re: How does gravity slow time? "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-12-16 06:27 -0800
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  Re: How does gravity slow time? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-12-16 14:25 -0800
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      Re: How does gravity slow time? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-12-16 15:24 -0800
        Re: How does gravity slow time? alsor@interia.pl - 2018-12-16 16:05 -0800
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            Re: How does gravity slow time? alsor@interia.pl - 2018-12-17 09:52 -0800
              Re: How does gravity slow time? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-12-17 11:53 -0800
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                Re: How does gravity slow time? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-12-17 15:41 -0800
                Re: How does gravity slow time? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-12-17 23:32 -0800
                Re: How does gravity slow time? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-12-17 17:21 -0800
                Re: How does gravity slow time? alsor@interia.pl - 2018-12-18 08:47 -0800
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                Re: How does gravity slow time? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-12-20 14:43 -0800
                Re: How does gravity slow time? Scott Richman <sunn@idhnonow.iv> - 2018-12-20 23:46 +0000
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                Re: How does gravity slow time? Scott Richman <sunn@idhnonow.iv> - 2018-12-21 13:56 +0000
    Re: How does gravity slow time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-17 06:58 -0800
      Re: How does gravity slow time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-17 17:47 +0000
        Re: How does gravity slow time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-17 14:41 -0800
          Re: How does gravity slow time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-18 02:23 +0000
            Re: How does gravity slow time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-18 06:13 -0800
              Re: How does gravity slow time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-19 14:17 +0000
                Re: How does gravity slow time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-19 07:06 -0800
                Re: How does gravity slow time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-19 15:18 +0000
                Re: How does gravity slow time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-19 19:00 +0000
                Re: How does gravity slow time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-19 13:16 -0800
                Re: How does gravity slow time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-20 02:35 +0000
                Re: How does gravity slow time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-20 07:24 -0800
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                Re: How does gravity slow time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-20 13:26 -0800
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            Re: How does gravity slow time? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-12-19 06:21 -0800
      Re: How does gravity slow time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-17 19:01 +0000
        Re: How does gravity slow time? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-12-17 11:40 -0800
        Re: How does gravity slow time? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-12-17 11:44 -0800
        Re: How does gravity slow time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-17 15:17 -0800
          Re: How does gravity slow time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-18 04:50 +0000
            Re: How does gravity slow time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-18 07:27 -0800
      Re: How does gravity slow time? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-12-17 11:55 -0800
  Re: How does gravity slow time? Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> - 2018-12-17 08:21 +0100
    Re: How does gravity slow time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-17 06:15 -0800
      Re: How does gravity slow time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-17 18:49 +0000
        Re: How does gravity slow time? Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-12-17 12:18 -0800
        Re: How does gravity slow time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-17 15:00 -0800
          Re: How does gravity slow time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-18 04:24 +0000
            Re: How does gravity slow time? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-12-17 23:35 -0800
            Re: How does gravity slow time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-18 06:57 -0800

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