Re: The Quark Religion

From	Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	sci.physics
Subject	Re: The Quark Religion
Date	2018-09-06 16:52 +0000
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benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 9/5/2018 7:58 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
>> On Wednesday, 5 September 2018 23:04:22 UTC+10, Odd Bodkin  wrote:
>>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, 5 September 2018 10:33:17 UTC+10, Odd Bodkin  wrote:
>>>>> Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Toxic cretinism is what e=mcc is all about.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Anything that makes no sense to a competent engineer must be wrong, so
>>>>>> sayeth the self-righteous engineer.
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Elaborating:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Any theory that makes no sense to a competent engineer must be wrong,
>>>>> because it is incomprehensible.
>>>> 
>>>> Yes, because making something scientific incomprehensible to a competent
>>>> engineer must involve mumbo-jumbo - and so, has to be wrong.
>>> 
>>> lol. As I thought.
>> 
>> Nothing to laugh about, this entire and vast hoax that is e=mcc=hv
>> pseudo-physics. It ia arresting the technical development of new motors
>> based upon my new physics. I hold these pseudo-physicists to be the very
>> worst criminals on the planet. They are directly responsible for the
>> grotesque distortion of the mind in all areas; from the wrong and
>> twisted view of the way the universe works; from the meanness with the
>> wrong conservation laws of energy and mass-energy equivalence; the
>> reduction of science to a dogma chanted by pretentions half-wits; all
>> leadng to lack of progress in physics, now degraded mumobo-jumbo.
>> Allocation of funds to the correct and productive scientific research,
>> based upon my new physics, is absolutely necessary. But as these frauds
>> put e=mcc=hv dogma as a priori for any funding, and as they control
>> everything with money and power, there is at present no chance for my
>> new physics to take off.
>> 
>> 
>> My new physics will take off one day, leading to new motors that will
>> take humanity to the stars. Hopefully, no world wars will be necessary for that to happen.
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Any theory that yields no practical everyday device is wrong, because it is
>>>>> useless.
>>>> 
>>>> No. A valid theory will have practical value sooner or later, when
>>>> sufficient advances are made in related areas; and the true scientific
>>>> and rational spirit triumphs over the dishonest and irrational attitudes.
>>>> 
>>>> Theories, based upon pure imagination and no factual basis; or theories
>>>> that have internal logical contradictions such as construing appearance
>>>> as reality; must be dismissed. Like, the theory that a stick actually
>>>> bends when it is placed in water, and straightens when it comes out, has to be rejected.
>>>> 
>>>>> Any theory beyond Newton and Maxwell is wrong, because it is unnecessary.
>>>> 
>>>> No. It is necessary to know of the atomic nucleus, electronics and
>>>> semiconductors, queuing issues, superconductivity, and then construct
>>>> theories based upon experiments that are sensible and practical; while
>>>> rejecting old theories that are outdated and nonsensical.
>>> 
>>> I notice that you mention things that involve quantum mechanics, like
>>> atomic nuclei, electronics, semiconductors, superconductors.
>> 
>> Unlike relativity, which is completely bogus and useless, quantum
>> mechanics or rather quantum theory may used to explain some phenomena
>> like photo-electric effect; and explain the generation and absorption of
>> photons in terms of variation in the energy levels of electrons orbiting
>> the nucleus. However antenna theory (developed later) can do the same
>> thing, only better. I have found quantum theory and quantum mechanics
>> perfectly useless to design antennas that radiate. It was my personal
>> job for over 8 years, to design, develop and test microwave antennas for
>> radar, IFF, space, navigation, TV, communication systems. That involved
>> a lot of fundamental work relating to experimentation using
>> sophisticated test equipment. Bottom line is that no antenna engineer
>> has the faintest use for anything to with quantum theory.
>> 
>> Several of
>>> these involved Nobel prizes for the leaps forward in understanding due to
>>> quantum mechanics. But you said quantum mechanics was incomprehensible to
>>> you, an engineer, and therefore wrong.
>> 
>> It was comprehensible enough for me to pass a full semester course in
>> quantum mechanics. Along with all the rest of the students, I loathed
>> this subject as it was totally against the rest of our engineering
>> training. But we all had so much respect for the Nobel Laureates you
>> talk of, that we thought it was all too great and powerful for our
>> little brains. These days, my opinion of Nobel laureates is not that
>> great. Age and experience does matter in forming such an opinion.
>> 
>> The purpose of the Nobel Prize is not to block the human mind in any
>> direction, I should hope, by creating certain dogmatic a priori
>> situations like e=mcc=hv. But, I could be mistaken. It may well be
>> another instrument for Eurocentric domination, telling chaps like me to
>> follow their way or the highway. Me, I go on the highway, singing songs
>> to my dog while moving fast in my car. Or, post here, in the ngs. The
>> annoyance the Eurocentric sorts experience as a result, is a payment of sorts for me.
>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Any theory that consumes resources away from an engineer’s pet project is
>>>>> wrong, because it is misdirected.
>>>> 
>>>> No. Not any theory, but theories based upon false premises, upon which
>>>> enormous funds have already been wasted for no practical results, must
>>>> not be funded any more.
>>> 
>>> See number two above, where you said valid theories will have practical
>>> value sooner or later. How long should one wait? Oh let’s see... quantum
>>> mechanics, with applications in lasers, semiconductors, electronics,
>>> optical devices, chemistry, and so on and so on....
>> 
>> 
>> Oh rubbish. Quantum theory does nothing in engineering. Lasers have to
>> do with the coherence of the light wave front. Semiconductors work on
>> the potential difference between the barrier junction, caused by
>> difference in electron-hole mobility across the junction creating charge
>> build up. Electronics is about electrons and use the Thomson-Heaviside
>> force when in free space, and that force is electromagnetic. Optical
>> devices all use electromagnetic theory relating to reflection and
>> refraction. I knew a brilliant chemistry student who failed her quantum
>> mechanics course - she never knew why she had to do it! Quantum
>> mechanics is a useless theory at best - in combination with the devilish
>> de Broglie hypothesis it is evil; as it attributes schizophrenia to the
>> nature of light. Such schizophrenia, attributed to the workings of
>> Nature, cannot but distort the human mind. So the distortion of the
>> human mind, shown in the amoral manners of the ruling elites, from Bush2
>> to Weinstein, is the natural result of attributing schizophrenia to the
>> workings of Nature.
>> 
>> Once aether theory is brought back, following my aphorisms, then
>> relativity and quantum will get the most deserved boot. Reason will
>> return to Her throne, in Physics, and from that, spread all over.
>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Have I got the MRE (Mantra of the Retired Engineer) down right?
>>>> 
>>>> Let me see. About 25%.
>>> 
>>> I think I have you retired engineers pegged.
>> 
>> You think wrongly. I am not retired, only unemployed, having been
>> hounded out of any chance of worthwhile employment by the devilish
>> e=mcc=hv powers that be.
>> 
>> But I do spend my time usefully, in part by washing those pseudo-types
>> thoroughly, putting them through the wringer, and hanging them out to
>> dry for the world to see.
> 
> If ever there was an ignorant pseudo-science type that needs washed and 
> put through the wringer it is Odd. He is so determined to stay ignorant 
> that he refuses to read anything that goes against his e=mcc religion. 

Ben, what do you get out of this kind of pandering to kooks?

> He is just like those church officials who refused to look through 
> Galileo's telescope and then denounced him as a kook. This is as low in 
> science as it gets.
> 
>> Cheers,
>> Arindam Banerjee
>>>>> 
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>> 
> 
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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