Re: The Quark Religion

From	benj <benj.fake@gmail.com>
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Subject	Re: The Quark Religion
Date	2018-09-06 10:38 -0400
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On 9/5/2018 7:58 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> On Wednesday, 5 September 2018 23:04:22 UTC+10, Odd Bodkin  wrote:
>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, 5 September 2018 10:33:17 UTC+10, Odd Bodkin  wrote:
>>>> Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Toxic cretinism is what e=mcc is all about.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Anything that makes no sense to a competent engineer must be wrong, so
>>>>> sayeth the self-righteous engineer.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Elaborating:
>>>>
>>>> Any theory that makes no sense to a competent engineer must be wrong,
>>>> because it is incomprehensible.
>>>
>>> Yes, because making something scientific incomprehensible to a competent
>>> engineer must involve mumbo-jumbo - and so, has to be wrong.
>>
>> lol. As I thought.
> 
> Nothing to laugh about, this entire and vast hoax that is e=mcc=hv pseudo-physics. It ia arresting the technical development of new motors based upon my new physics. I hold these pseudo-physicists to be the very worst criminals on the planet. They are directly responsible for the grotesque distortion of the mind in all areas; from the wrong and twisted view of the way the universe works; from the meanness with the wrong conservation laws of energy and mass-energy equivalence; the reduction of science to a dogma chanted by pretentions half-wits; all leadng to lack of progress in physics, now degraded mumobo-jumbo. Allocation of funds to the correct and productive scientific research, based upon my new physics, is absolutely necessary. But as these frauds put e=mcc=hv dogma as a priori for any funding, and as they control everything with money and power, there is at present no chance for my new physics to take off.
> 
> 
> My new physics will take off one day, leading to new motors that will take humanity to the stars. Hopefully, no world wars will be necessary for that to happen.
>>
>>>
>>>> Any theory that yields no practical everyday device is wrong, because it is
>>>> useless.
>>>
>>> No. A valid theory will have practical value sooner or later, when
>>> sufficient advances are made in related areas; and the true scientific
>>> and rational spirit triumphs over the dishonest and irrational attitudes.
>>>
>>> Theories, based upon pure imagination and no factual basis; or theories
>>> that have internal logical contradictions such as construing appearance
>>> as reality; must be dismissed. Like, the theory that a stick actually
>>> bends when it is placed in water, and straightens when it comes out, has to be rejected.
>>>
>>>> Any theory beyond Newton and Maxwell is wrong, because it is unnecessary.
>>>
>>> No. It is necessary to know of the atomic nucleus, electronics and
>>> semiconductors, queuing issues, superconductivity, and then construct
>>> theories based upon experiments that are sensible and practical; while
>>> rejecting old theories that are outdated and nonsensical.
>>
>> I notice that you mention things that involve quantum mechanics, like
>> atomic nuclei, electronics, semiconductors, superconductors.
> 
> Unlike relativity, which is completely bogus and useless, quantum mechanics or rather quantum theory may used to explain some phenomena like photo-electric effect; and explain the generation and absorption of photons in terms of variation in the energy levels of electrons orbiting the nucleus. However antenna theory (developed later) can do the same thing, only better. I have found quantum theory and quantum mechanics perfectly useless to design antennas that radiate. It was my personal job for over 8 years, to design, develop and test microwave antennas for radar, IFF, space, navigation, TV, communication systems. That involved a lot of fundamental work relating to experimentation using sophisticated test equipment. Bottom line is that no antenna engineer has the faintest use for anything to with quantum theory.
> 
>   Several of
>> these involved Nobel prizes for the leaps forward in understanding due to
>> quantum mechanics. But you said quantum mechanics was incomprehensible to
>> you, an engineer, and therefore wrong.
> 
> It was comprehensible enough for me to pass a full semester course in quantum mechanics. Along with all the rest of the students, I loathed this subject as it was totally against the rest of our engineering training. But we all had so much respect for the Nobel Laureates you talk of, that we thought it was all too great and powerful for our little brains. These days, my opinion of Nobel laureates is not that great. Age and experience does matter in forming such an opinion.
> 
> The purpose of the Nobel Prize is not to block the human mind in any direction, I should hope, by creating certain dogmatic a priori situations like e=mcc=hv. But, I could be mistaken. It may well be another instrument for Eurocentric domination, telling chaps like me to follow their way or the highway. Me, I go on the highway, singing songs to my dog while moving fast in my car. Or, post here, in the ngs. The annoyance the Eurocentric sorts experience as a result, is a payment of sorts for me.
> 
>>>>
>>>> Any theory that consumes resources away from an engineer’s pet project is
>>>> wrong, because it is misdirected.
>>>
>>> No. Not any theory, but theories based upon false premises, upon which
>>> enormous funds have already been wasted for no practical results, must
>>> not be funded any more.
>>
>> See number two above, where you said valid theories will have practical
>> value sooner or later. How long should one wait? Oh let’s see... quantum
>> mechanics, with applications in lasers, semiconductors, electronics,
>> optical devices, chemistry, and so on and so on....
> 
> 
> Oh rubbish. Quantum theory does nothing in engineering. Lasers have to do with the coherence of the light wave front. Semiconductors work on the potential difference between the barrier junction, caused by difference in electron-hole mobility across the junction creating charge build up. Electronics is about electrons and use the Thomson-Heaviside force when in free space, and that force is electromagnetic. Optical devices all use electromagnetic theory relating to reflection and refraction. I knew a brilliant chemistry student who failed her quantum mechanics course - she never knew why she had to do it! Quantum mechanics is a useless theory at best - in combination with the devilish de Broglie hypothesis it is evil; as it attributes schizophrenia to the nature of light. Such schizophrenia, attributed to the workings of Nature, cannot but distort the human mind. So the distortion of the human mind, shown in the amoral manners of the ruling elites, from Bush2 to Weinstein, is the natural result of attributing schizophrenia to the workings of Nature.
> 
> Once aether theory is brought back, following my aphorisms, then relativity and quantum will get the most deserved boot. Reason will return to Her throne, in Physics, and from that, spread all over.
> 
>>>>
>>>> Have I got the MRE (Mantra of the Retired Engineer) down right?
>>>
>>> Let me see. About 25%.
>>
>> I think I have you retired engineers pegged.
> 
> You think wrongly. I am not retired, only unemployed, having been hounded out of any chance of worthwhile employment by the devilish e=mcc=hv powers that be.
> 
> But I do spend my time usefully, in part by washing those pseudo-types thoroughly, putting them through the wringer, and hanging them out to dry for the world to see.

If ever there was an ignorant pseudo-science type that needs washed and 
put through the wringer it is Odd. He is so determined to stay ignorant 
that he refuses to read anything that goes against his e=mcc religion. 
He is just like those church officials who refused to look through 
Galileo's telescope and then denounced him as a kook. This is as low in 
science as it gets.

> Cheers,
> Arindam Banerjee
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>

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