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Re: The Quark Religion

From Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics
Subject Re: The Quark Religion
Date 2018-09-05 13:04 +0000
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Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, 5 September 2018 10:33:17 UTC+10, Odd Bodkin  wrote:
>> Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Toxic cretinism is what e=mcc is all about.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Anything that makes no sense to a competent engineer must be wrong, so
>>> sayeth the self-righteous engineer. 
>>> 
>> 
>> Elaborating:  
>> 
>> Any theory that makes no sense to a competent engineer must be wrong,
>> because it is incomprehensible. 
> 
> Yes, because making something scientific incomprehensible to a competent
> engineer must involve mumbo-jumbo - and so, has to be wrong.

lol. As I thought. 

> 
>> Any theory that yields no practical everyday device is wrong, because it is
>> useless. 
> 
> No. A valid theory will have practical value sooner or later, when
> sufficient advances are made in related areas; and the true scientific
> and rational spirit triumphs over the dishonest and irrational attitudes.
> 
> Theories, based upon pure imagination and no factual basis; or theories
> that have internal logical contradictions such as construing appearance
> as reality; must be dismissed. Like, the theory that a stick actually
> bends when it is placed in water, and straightens when it comes out, has to be rejected. 
> 
>> Any theory beyond Newton and Maxwell is wrong, because it is unnecessary. 
> 
> No. It is necessary to know of the atomic nucleus, electronics and
> semiconductors, queuing issues, superconductivity, and then construct
> theories based upon experiments that are sensible and practical; while
> rejecting old theories that are outdated and nonsensical.

I notice that you mention things that involve quantum mechanics, like
atomic nuclei, electronics, semiconductors, superconductors. Several of
these involved Nobel prizes for the leaps forward in understanding due to
quantum mechanics. But you said quantum mechanics was incomprehensible to
you, an engineer, and therefore wrong. 

>> 
>> Any theory that consumes resources away from an engineer’s pet project is
>> wrong, because it is misdirected. 
> 
> No. Not any theory, but theories based upon false premises, upon which
> enormous funds have already been wasted for no practical results, must
> not be funded any more.

See number two above, where you said valid theories will have practical
value sooner or later. How long should one wait? Oh let’s see... quantum
mechanics, with applications in lasers, semiconductors, electronics,
optical devices, chemistry, and so on and so on....

>> 
>> Have I got the MRE (Mantra of the Retired Engineer) down right?
> 
> Let me see. About 25%.

I think I have you retired engineers pegged. 

> 
> Cheers,
> Arindam Banerjee
>> 
>> -- 
>> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> 
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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