Re: The Quark Religion

From	Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	sci.physics
Subject	Re: The Quark Religion
Date	2018-08-30 15:29 +0000
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Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, 30 August 2018 09:15:38 UTC+10, mitchr...@gmail.com  wrote:
>> On Wednesday, August 29, 2018 at 3:56:06 PM UTC-7, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
>>> All modern physics based upon relativity and quantum theories are
>>> disastrous rubbish leading to dead ends and even greater nonsensical stuff as quarks.
>> 
>> How would we know?
> 
> One clue - how has all the billions poured into fusion research,
> colliders, black hole generators, etc. done any good for the advancement
> of sound knowledge leading to practical engineering?
> 
> Surely there has to be a basic flaw somewhere that has led to such massive failure.

I think that is a common bias of engineers by their nature. They don’t
believe in investing in fundamental research that has no aim of practical
application and is focused solely on exploration and understanding. Like
you, they consider any work that does not produce practical gains to be
either failures or wastes. 

However, the stance of engineers is by no means universal nor even correct.
There is value in exploration and discovery in fundamental research that
has no practical application, which is why there is investment in it. 

I think there is also something to be said about scale here. You toss out
numbers about billions, but the reality is that the a TOTAL investment in
fundamental physics research is an order of magnitude smaller than what is
spent in this country on lawn care. 

> 
> If indeed the Sun worked on fusion then fusion generators would have been
> realised long ago, given the time and money spent.

Now you are heaping blame on technologists who fail to deliver practical
solutions based in fundamental research on a timeline that pleases you —
perhaps within your lifetime. But history has precedence here. Mendelian
genetics had no practical application for over a century, as did Newtonian
gravity. Just because we understand how nature does something does not
guarantee that we can replicate it or manipulate it for practical advantage
on a brief timeline. 

> 
> How are the conservation laws of energy (mass&energy) valid when
> perpetual motion machines are realised using Perendev simulation using
> permanent magnets; when solar farms can produce unlimited energy along
> with other renewables?
> 

-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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The Quark Religion alal65536@gmail.com - 2018-08-28 02:09 -0700
  Re: The Quark Religion poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-08-28 02:30 -0700
    Re: The Quark Religion alal65536@gmail.com - 2018-08-28 04:04 -0700
  The Quark Religion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-28 05:25 -0700
    Re: The Quark Religion "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-08-28 09:55 -0700
      Re: The Quark Religion "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-08-28 10:25 -0700
  Re:The Quark Religion Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-08-28 14:36 +0200
    Re:The Quark Religion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-28 06:11 -0700
    Re: The Quark Religion Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-08-28 11:07 -0500
      Re: The Quark Religion alal65536@gmail.com - 2018-08-29 03:42 -0700
        Re: The Quark Religion Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-08-29 09:29 -0500
          Re: The Quark Religion alal65536@gmail.com - 2018-08-29 07:53 -0700
            Re: The Quark Religion Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-08-29 10:18 -0500
              Re: The Quark Religion Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2018-08-30 00:36 -0700
    Re: The Quark Religion alal65536@gmail.com - 2018-08-29 03:30 -0700
  Re: The Quark Religion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-28 13:12 +0000
    Re: The Quark Religion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-28 06:26 -0700
      Re: The Quark Religion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-28 13:40 +0000
        Re: The Quark Religion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-28 06:55 -0700
          Re: The Quark Religion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-28 14:58 +0000
        Re: The Quark Religion poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-08-28 08:35 -0700
  Re: The Quark Religion mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-08-29 14:25 -0700
  Re: The Quark Religion mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-08-29 15:16 -0700
  The Quark Religion Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2018-08-29 15:56 -0700
    Re: The Quark Religion poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-08-29 16:09 -0700
    Re: The Quark Religion mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-08-29 16:15 -0700
      Re: The Quark Religion Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2018-08-29 17:54 -0700
        Re: The Quark Religion poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-08-29 22:46 -0700
        Re: The Quark Religion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-30 15:29 +0000
          Re: The Quark Religion Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2018-08-30 16:05 -0700
    The Quark Religion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-30 02:13 -0700
      Re: The Quark Religion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-30 15:29 +0000
        Re: The Quark Religion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-30 08:35 -0700
          Re: The Quark Religion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-30 16:18 +0000
  Re: The Quark Religion "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-08-30 01:12 -0700
    Re: The Quark Religion poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-08-30 02:05 -0700
      Re: The Quark Religion "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-08-30 02:09 -0700
        Re: The Quark Religion poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-08-30 06:20 -0700
          Re: The Quark Religion "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-08-30 14:45 -0700
            Re: The Quark Religion poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-08-30 16:37 -0700
              Re: The Quark Religion Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2018-08-30 20:05 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-08-30 20:12 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-30 21:58 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-08-30 23:27 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-08-30 23:18 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2018-08-30 23:53 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-08-31 00:31 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-08-31 00:56 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2018-08-31 04:40 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-08-31 17:54 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2018-08-31 23:02 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-08-31 23:32 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-09-01 02:38 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-08-31 19:46 -0700
  Re: The Quark Religion Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-09-01 16:39 +1000
    Re: The Quark Religion poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-09-01 02:29 -0700
      Re: The Quark Religion Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-09-01 19:36 +1000
        Re: The Quark Religion poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-09-01 03:31 -0700
          Re: The Quark Religion Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-09-02 09:21 +1000
            Re: The Quark Religion mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-09-01 16:25 -0700
            Re: The Quark Religion Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2018-09-01 16:37 -0700
              Re: The Quark Religion Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-09-02 10:56 +1000
                Re: The Quark Religion Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2018-09-01 18:50 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 02:11 -0400
                Re: The Quark Religion Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-09-02 16:57 +1000
                Re: The Quark Religion Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 04:14 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-09-02 06:52 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-09-02 12:25 -0500
                Re: The Quark Religion Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-09-03 08:42 +1000
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                Re: The Quark Religion "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-09-02 10:19 -0700
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              Re: The Quark Religion Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-09-02 19:54 +1000
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                Re: The Quark Religion Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-09-03 08:44 +1000
                Re: The Quark Religion poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-09-02 19:51 -0700
        Re: The Quark Religion "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 13:52 -0700
          Re: The Quark Religion "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-09-02 14:18 -0700
          Re: The Quark Religion Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-09-03 08:46 +1000
            Re: The Quark Religion Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 15:50 -0700
              Re: The Quark Religion Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-09-03 09:11 +1000
                Re: The Quark Religion Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 17:23 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-09-03 11:55 +1000
                Re: The Quark Religion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-09-03 09:59 -0400
                Re: The Quark Religion "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-09-03 11:09 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-09-03 18:02 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-09-04 12:09 +1000
                Re: The Quark Religion Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 05:24 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 05:41 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 06:29 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 12:47 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-09-04 12:57 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 15:07 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 00:02 +0000
                Re: The Quark Religion Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 17:06 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 00:33 +0000
                Re: The Quark Religion Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 17:59 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 13:04 +0000
                Re: The Quark Religion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 07:00 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 10:28 -0400
                Re: The Quark Religion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 15:51 +0000
                Re: The Quark Religion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 13:17 -0400
                Re: The Quark Religion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 19:48 +0000
                Re: The Quark Religion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 15:51 +0000
                Re: The Quark Religion Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 16:58 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 17:30 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 18:06 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 20:15 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 20:53 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-09-05 21:00 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-09-06 08:21 -0500
                Re: The Quark Religion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 10:38 -0400
                Re: The Quark Religion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 16:52 +0000
                Re: The Quark Religion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 12:39 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 15:44 +0000
                Re: The Quark Religion Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 17:13 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 09:16 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-05 16:32 +0000
                Re: The Quark Religion Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-09-06 08:23 -0500
                Re: The Quark Religion mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-09-05 20:23 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-09-05 08:33 +1000
                Re: The Quark Religion Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 16:52 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-09-07 10:56 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-09-07 11:17 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2018-09-09 03:04 -0700
            Re: The Quark Religion "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 17:41 -0700
              Re: The Quark Religion Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-09-03 11:56 +1000
                Re: The Quark Religion Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-09-02 23:16 -0500
              Re: The Quark Religion mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-09-02 19:17 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-09-03 11:06 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-09-03 17:59 -0700
              Re: The Quark Religion "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-09-02 20:08 -0700

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