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Re: The Quark Religion

From Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address>
Newsgroups sci.physics
Subject Re: The Quark Religion
Date 2018-09-04 12:09 +1000
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On 3/09/2018 11:59 PM, benj wrote:
> On 9/2/2018 9:55 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 3/09/2018 10:23 AM, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
>>> On Monday, September 3, 2018 at 9:11:40 AM UTC+10, Sylvia Else
>>> wrote:
>>>> On 3/09/2018 8:50 AM, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, September 3, 2018 at 8:46:47 AM UTC+10, Sylvia Else
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/09/2018 6:52 AM, reber G=emc^2 wrote:
>>>>>>> On Saturday, September 1, 2018 at 2:36:38 AM UTC-7, Sylvia
>>>>>>> Else wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 1/09/2018 7:29 PM, poraty149@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, September 1, 2018 at 9:39:10 AM UTC+3,
>>>>>>>>> Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 28/08/2018 7:09 PM, alal65536@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> How many followers does it have?  Quarks are not 
>>>>>>>>>>> science/physics.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What about electrons, protons, neutrons? Are they 
>>>>>>>>>> science/physics? If so, how do they differ from
>>>>>>>>>> quarks?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>>>>>> ====================== i will tell you how electrons
>>>>>>>>> protons differ from quarks
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> first of all quarks are like say   2 fansy  hats on  your
>>>>>>>>> head while you  have  hands and legs etc how about it ??
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That doesn't say much.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> People may feel familiar with electrons because they've
>>>>>>>> heard the term all their lives. If so, that feeling is a
>>>>>>>> delusion. An electron is a theory in physics as much as is
>>>>>>>> a quark. At most, experimental verifications of the theory
>>>>>>>> are a bit more accessible in the case of the electron,
>>>>>>>> since particle accelerators are not required.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your 100% wrong the flow of electrons give us electricity,and
>>>>>>> that we see,use and feel every second of our lives.Get the
>>>>>>> picture right and you will know I'm right Bert
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's a perfect example of my point. Nothing about our
>>>>>> everyday experience of electricity points to the existence of
>>>>>> electrons. People just take it as read.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>>
>>>>> Never heard of thermionic emission? Too young to have seen
>>>>> cathode ray tubes?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And again.
>>>>
>>>> Neither of those demonstrates the existence of the electron.
>>>
>>> Of course they do.
>>>>
>>>> It takes careful experiments to show that charge is quantised,
>>>> which is the first step.
>>>
>>> Thermionic emissions (heating a filament to drive out electrons) used
>>> in early valves show the existence of a negative charge which also
>>> have mass, and that we call space charge comprised of individual
>>> electrons.
>>>
>>> The size of an electron is found out by various experiments - such as
>>> relating to electrolysis and the controversial Millikan oil-drop
>>> experment. Some parts of those experiments and their analysis,
>>> relating to finding the value of Avogadro's Number, say, may well be
>>> theoretical or unconvincing. But the e/m ratio is purely found by
>>> experiments done by J J Thomson in the 19th century.
>>
>> Ok, so you finally found the relevant experiments. I wonder why you 
>> didn't mention them before.
>>
>> Now go back up the thread and see how this fits into the discussion. 
>> The discussion was not about whether electrons exist.
>>
>> Sylvia.
> 
> Of course electrons exist even though they have zero size. This is an 
> article of faith. Electrons have no size but do have mass. So no size is 
> ever needed for mass. Odd's favorite textbooks prove all this.

As I said, the discussion was not about whether electrons exist.

Sylvia.

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The Quark Religion alal65536@gmail.com - 2018-08-28 02:09 -0700
  Re: The Quark Religion poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-08-28 02:30 -0700
    Re: The Quark Religion alal65536@gmail.com - 2018-08-28 04:04 -0700
  The Quark Religion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-28 05:25 -0700
    Re: The Quark Religion "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-08-28 09:55 -0700
      Re: The Quark Religion "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-08-28 10:25 -0700
  Re:The Quark Religion Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-08-28 14:36 +0200
    Re:The Quark Religion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-28 06:11 -0700
    Re: The Quark Religion Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-08-28 11:07 -0500
      Re: The Quark Religion alal65536@gmail.com - 2018-08-29 03:42 -0700
        Re: The Quark Religion Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-08-29 09:29 -0500
          Re: The Quark Religion alal65536@gmail.com - 2018-08-29 07:53 -0700
            Re: The Quark Religion Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-08-29 10:18 -0500
              Re: The Quark Religion Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2018-08-30 00:36 -0700
    Re: The Quark Religion alal65536@gmail.com - 2018-08-29 03:30 -0700
  Re: The Quark Religion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-28 13:12 +0000
    Re: The Quark Religion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-28 06:26 -0700
      Re: The Quark Religion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-28 13:40 +0000
        Re: The Quark Religion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-28 06:55 -0700
          Re: The Quark Religion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-28 14:58 +0000
        Re: The Quark Religion poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-08-28 08:35 -0700
  Re: The Quark Religion mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-08-29 14:25 -0700
  Re: The Quark Religion mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-08-29 15:16 -0700
  The Quark Religion Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2018-08-29 15:56 -0700
    Re: The Quark Religion poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-08-29 16:09 -0700
    Re: The Quark Religion mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-08-29 16:15 -0700
      Re: The Quark Religion Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2018-08-29 17:54 -0700
        Re: The Quark Religion poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-08-29 22:46 -0700
        Re: The Quark Religion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-30 15:29 +0000
          Re: The Quark Religion Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2018-08-30 16:05 -0700
    The Quark Religion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-30 02:13 -0700
      Re: The Quark Religion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-30 15:29 +0000
        Re: The Quark Religion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-30 08:35 -0700
          Re: The Quark Religion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-30 16:18 +0000
  Re: The Quark Religion "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-08-30 01:12 -0700
    Re: The Quark Religion poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-08-30 02:05 -0700
      Re: The Quark Religion "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-08-30 02:09 -0700
        Re: The Quark Religion poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-08-30 06:20 -0700
          Re: The Quark Religion "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-08-30 14:45 -0700
            Re: The Quark Religion poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-08-30 16:37 -0700
              Re: The Quark Religion Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2018-08-30 20:05 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-08-30 20:12 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-30 21:58 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-08-30 23:27 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-08-30 23:18 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2018-08-30 23:53 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-08-31 00:31 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-08-31 00:56 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2018-08-31 04:40 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-08-31 17:54 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2018-08-31 23:02 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-08-31 23:32 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-09-01 02:38 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-08-31 19:46 -0700
  Re: The Quark Religion Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-09-01 16:39 +1000
    Re: The Quark Religion poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-09-01 02:29 -0700
      Re: The Quark Religion Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-09-01 19:36 +1000
        Re: The Quark Religion poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-09-01 03:31 -0700
          Re: The Quark Religion Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-09-02 09:21 +1000
            Re: The Quark Religion mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-09-01 16:25 -0700
            Re: The Quark Religion Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2018-09-01 16:37 -0700
              Re: The Quark Religion Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-09-02 10:56 +1000
                Re: The Quark Religion Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2018-09-01 18:50 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 02:11 -0400
                Re: The Quark Religion Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-09-02 16:57 +1000
                Re: The Quark Religion Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 04:14 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-09-02 06:52 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-09-02 12:25 -0500
                Re: The Quark Religion Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-09-03 08:42 +1000
                Re: The Quark Religion poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-09-02 19:40 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-09-02 19:36 -0700
            Re: The Quark Religion poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-09-02 02:14 -0700
              Re: The Quark Religion poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-09-02 02:19 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-09-02 10:19 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-09-02 19:30 -0700
              Re: The Quark Religion Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-09-02 19:54 +1000
                Re: The Quark Religion poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-09-02 06:49 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-09-03 08:44 +1000
                Re: The Quark Religion poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-09-02 19:51 -0700
        Re: The Quark Religion "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 13:52 -0700
          Re: The Quark Religion "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-09-02 14:18 -0700
          Re: The Quark Religion Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-09-03 08:46 +1000
            Re: The Quark Religion Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 15:50 -0700
              Re: The Quark Religion Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-09-03 09:11 +1000
                Re: The Quark Religion Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 17:23 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-09-03 11:55 +1000
                Re: The Quark Religion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-09-03 09:59 -0400
                Re: The Quark Religion "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-09-03 11:09 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-09-03 18:02 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-09-04 12:09 +1000
                Re: The Quark Religion Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 05:24 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 05:41 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 06:29 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 12:47 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-09-04 12:57 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 15:07 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 00:02 +0000
                Re: The Quark Religion Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 17:06 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 00:33 +0000
                Re: The Quark Religion Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 17:59 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 13:04 +0000
                Re: The Quark Religion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 07:00 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 10:28 -0400
                Re: The Quark Religion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 15:51 +0000
                Re: The Quark Religion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 13:17 -0400
                Re: The Quark Religion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 19:48 +0000
                Re: The Quark Religion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 15:51 +0000
                Re: The Quark Religion Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 16:58 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 17:30 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 18:06 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 20:15 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 20:53 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-09-05 21:00 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-09-06 08:21 -0500
                Re: The Quark Religion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 10:38 -0400
                Re: The Quark Religion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 16:52 +0000
                Re: The Quark Religion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 12:39 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 15:44 +0000
                Re: The Quark Religion Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 17:13 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 09:16 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-05 16:32 +0000
                Re: The Quark Religion Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-09-06 08:23 -0500
                Re: The Quark Religion mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-09-05 20:23 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-09-05 08:33 +1000
                Re: The Quark Religion Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 16:52 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-09-07 10:56 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-09-07 11:17 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2018-09-09 03:04 -0700
            Re: The Quark Religion "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 17:41 -0700
              Re: The Quark Religion Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-09-03 11:56 +1000
                Re: The Quark Religion Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-09-02 23:16 -0500
              Re: The Quark Religion mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-09-02 19:17 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-09-03 11:06 -0700
                Re: The Quark Religion "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-09-03 17:59 -0700
              Re: The Quark Religion "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-09-02 20:08 -0700

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