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Re: Text Files

From David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: Text Files
Date 2018-02-27 09:04 +0100
Organization A noiseless patient Spider
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On 26/02/18 18:26, Keith Thompson wrote:
> Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> writes:
> [...]
>> My lines are 52 characters wide, which is all  right
>> for  justification  with the rare exceptions of long
>> nonbreakable words.  It is the with that seems  most
>> comfortable  to  me, although I believe can tolerate
>> 60.
>>
>> Instead of reflowing, I will often reuse the  source
>> of the previous post, add my answer and typeset it.
> 
> I'm not going to spend much more time trying to persuade you, but
> I really do find your articles more difficult to read because of
> the way you format them.  There haven't been a lot of responses,
> but several other people agree with me, and nobody so far has said
> your formatting is helpful.  If nothing else, the contrast with
> all the other articles here is jarring.
> 
> I often use "fmt -70", or just "fmt", or the built-in formatter of
> the editor I'm using.  I find 52 columns annoyingly narrow.
> 
> Google Groups is to blame for a lot of the bad formatting we
> see here.  If I had to use it, I'd copy-and-paste into an editor,
> reformat, and copy-and-paste back into Google Groups.
> 

I agree with Keith here.  The 52 character width is too short, and makes
the posts stand out from the norm of Usenet.  The justification looks
artificial, and the occasional hyphenation is distracting to the reader.
 It is a format well suited to tabloid newspapers where the main stories
are about which semi-famous film star got caught with drugs or threw
their phone at the nanny.  And I keep expected to see a "Sent from my
iPhone XIX :-) " signature at the bottom.

There are plenty of other ways to make posts difficult to read in
Usenet.  Google groups posts with no line breaks are a pain, especially
if there is code in the same posts (meaning you can't easily reflow it
with a newsreader program).  So are posts without attributions, or
without context, or with far too much context.  These 52 character posts
are far from the worst - but they are also posts that could easily have
been made a lot nicer just by using standard 72 character widths and
ragged right margins.

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Text Files G B <gb@gb.com> - 2018-02-14 11:47 -0400
  Re: Text Files Ed Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-02-14 08:45 -0800
  Re: Text Files Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-02-14 08:47 -0800
    Re: Text Files already5chosen@yahoo.com - 2018-02-15 01:17 -0800
  Re: Text Files gordonb.ea2mq@burditt.org (Gordon Burditt) - 2018-02-14 11:10 -0600
  Re: Text Files "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2018-02-14 12:28 -0500
  Re: Text Files jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) - 2018-02-14 21:07 +0000
  Re: Text Files Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2018-02-14 15:31 -0700
    Re: Text Files Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2018-02-15 06:59 +0000
      Re: Text Files Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-02-15 10:20 +0000
  Re: Text Files Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-02-14 22:51 +0000
    Re: Text Files David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-02-15 11:04 +0100
      Re: Text Files Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-02-15 06:16 -0800
        Re: Text Files "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2018-02-15 22:22 +0800
        Re: Text Files David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-02-15 15:58 +0100
          Re: Text Files bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-02-15 16:31 +0000
            Re: Text Files David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-02-15 21:31 +0100
              Re: Text Files bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-02-15 21:21 +0000
                Re: Text Files Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-02-15 22:17 +0000
                Re: Text Files bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-02-15 23:36 +0000
                Re: Text Files Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-02-15 23:48 +0000
                Re: Text Files David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-02-16 10:09 +0100
                Re: Text Files bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-02-16 12:57 +0000
                Re: Text Files David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-02-16 15:50 +0100
                Re: Text Files bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-02-16 15:50 +0000
                Re: Text Files David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-02-16 17:07 +0100
                Re: Text Files bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-02-16 20:44 +0000
                Re: Text Files Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2018-02-17 11:22 +1300
                Re: Text Files Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-02-16 17:48 +0000
                Re: Text Files GOTHIER Nathan <nathan.gothier@gmail.com> - 2018-02-16 17:06 +0100
                Re: Text Files Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2018-02-17 11:10 +1300
                Re: Text Files supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-02-16 14:48 -0800
                Re: Text Files Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-02-16 15:14 -0800
                Re: Text Files Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-02-16 23:25 +0000
                Re: Text Files supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-02-16 15:50 -0800
          Re: Text Files already5chosen@yahoo.com - 2018-02-16 07:19 -0800
            Re: Text Files David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-02-16 17:13 +0100
              Re: Text Files Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2018-02-19 17:55 +0000
                Re: Text Files David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-02-19 19:14 +0100
                Re: Text Files Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-02-19 11:48 -0800
            Re: Text Files Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-02-16 08:14 -0800
              Re: Text Files Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2018-02-17 18:32 -0600
    Re: Text Files jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2018-02-15 22:57 +0100
      Re: Text Files Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-02-15 22:58 +0000
        Re: Text Files bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-02-16 00:19 +0000
          Re: Text Files bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-02-16 02:26 +0000
            Re: Text Files Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-02-16 02:57 +0000
              Re: Text Files asetofsymbols@gmail.com - 2018-02-16 00:21 -0800
                Re: Text Files Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-02-16 11:30 +0000
          Re: Text Files David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-02-16 10:36 +0100
            Re: Text Files Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-02-16 11:36 +0000
              Re: Text Files David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-02-16 13:10 +0100
                Re: Text Files bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-02-16 12:25 +0000
                Re: Text Files Ike Naar <ike@iceland.freeshell.org> - 2018-03-06 19:33 +0000
                Re: Text Files bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-03-06 20:55 +0000
                Re: Text Files Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-02-16 04:42 -0800
                Re: Text Files David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-02-16 16:58 +0100
                Re: Text Files bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-02-16 20:02 +0000
                Re: Text Files David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-02-16 21:43 +0100
                Re: Text Files Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-02-17 04:01 -0800
                Re: Text Files bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-02-17 13:10 +0000
                Re: Text Files Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-02-17 05:27 -0800
                Re: Text Files bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-02-17 14:20 +0000
                Re: Text Files Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2018-02-16 09:04 -0700
                Re: Text Files Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-02-16 14:31 +0000
                Re: Text Files Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-02-16 06:42 -0800
                Re: Text Files bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-02-16 14:58 +0000
                Re: Text Files Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-02-16 07:23 -0800
                Re: Text Files Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-02-16 15:24 +0000
              Re: Text Files Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-02-16 04:13 -0800
                Re: Text Files Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2018-02-16 04:29 -0800
                Re: Text Files Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2018-02-20 16:41 +0000
                Re: Text Files Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2018-02-20 09:39 -0800
                Re: Text Files Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2018-02-20 19:16 +0000
  Re: Text Files bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-02-15 12:46 +0000
    Re: Text Files GOTHIER Nathan <nathan.gothier@gmail.com> - 2018-02-15 14:52 +0100
    Re: Text Files Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2018-02-15 17:07 +0300
      Re: Text Files bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-02-15 14:23 +0000
        Re: Text Files Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2018-02-15 18:52 +0300
    Re: Text Files Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-02-15 14:39 +0000
      Re: Text Files bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-02-15 15:43 +0000
        Re: Text Files Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-02-15 20:32 +0000
          Re: Text Files bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-02-15 22:06 +0000
            Re: Text Files GOTHIER Nathan <nathan.gothier@gmail.com> - 2018-02-15 23:12 +0100
            Re: Text Files Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-02-15 15:12 -0800
              Re: Text Files bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-02-15 23:43 +0000
                Re: Text Files Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-02-15 23:54 +0000
            Re: Text Files Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-02-15 23:35 +0000
          Re: Text Files Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2018-02-16 17:07 -0800
            Re: Text Files Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-02-17 02:38 +0000
              Re: Text Files Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2018-02-17 17:26 +1300
                Re: Text Files Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-02-17 11:22 +0000
                Re: Text Files bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-02-17 12:07 +0000
                Re: Text Files Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-02-17 04:17 -0800
                Re: Text Files Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2018-02-17 16:25 +0300
                Re: Text Files Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-02-17 07:35 -0800
                Re: Text Files GOTHIER Nathan <nathan.gothier@gmail.com> - 2018-02-17 15:24 +0100
                Re: Text Files Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2018-02-18 11:10 +1300
              Re: Text Files Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2018-02-19 12:05 -0800
                Re: Text Files already5chosen@yahoo.com - 2018-02-19 15:32 -0800
                Re: Text Files Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2018-02-21 10:34 -0800
                Re: Text Files already5chosen@yahoo.com - 2018-02-21 15:35 -0800
                Re: Text Files bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-02-22 00:11 +0000
                Re: Text Files Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2018-02-21 18:26 -0600
                Re: Text Files Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2018-02-21 21:39 -0800
                Re: Text Files Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2018-02-23 03:08 -0600
                Re: Text Files supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-02-23 16:16 -0800
                Re: Text Files Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-02-23 16:46 -0800
                Re: Text Files Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-02-24 02:49 -0800
                Re: Text Files asetofsymbols@gmail.com - 2018-02-24 05:16 -0800
                Re: Text Files "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-02-24 14:35 +0000
                Re: Text Files Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2018-02-24 08:48 -0700
                Re: Text Files supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-02-25 15:09 -0800
                Re: Text Files Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-02-25 15:54 -0800
                Re: Text Files supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-02-26 11:04 -0800
                Re: Text Files Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-02-26 11:52 -0800
                Re: Text Files supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-02-26 14:12 -0800
                Re: Text Files Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-02-26 14:40 -0800
                Re: Text Files already5chosen@yahoo.com - 2018-02-22 04:58 -0800
                Re: Text Files Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-02-22 05:33 -0800
                Re: Text Files Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-02-22 13:59 +0000
                Re: Text Files Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-02-22 07:24 -0800
              Re: Text Files supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-02-20 12:14 -0800
        Re: Text Files David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-02-15 21:37 +0100
          Re: Text Files bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-02-15 21:34 +0000
            Re: Text Files Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-02-15 14:15 -0800
            Re: Text Files David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-02-16 10:47 +0100
  Re: Text Files "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2018-02-15 22:20 +0800
  Re: Text Files "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-02-15 15:24 +0000
    Re: Text Files Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-02-15 16:05 +0000
    Re: Text Files "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2018-02-16 00:22 +0800
    Re: Text Files Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2018-02-15 13:35 -0700
  Re: Text Files Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2018-02-25 00:13 +0300
    Re: Text Files bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-02-24 21:24 +0000
      Re: Text Files Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2018-02-25 14:55 +0300
        Re: Text Files bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-02-25 13:00 +0000
    Re: Text Files Real Troll <Real.Troll@Trolls.com> - 2018-02-24 17:35 -0400
    Re: Text Files Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-02-24 21:36 +0000
      Re: Text Files Real Troll <Real.Troll@Trolls.com> - 2018-02-24 17:45 -0400
      Re: Text Files Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2018-02-24 22:51 +0000
        Re: Text Files Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-02-24 23:56 +0000
          Re: Text Files bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-02-25 00:14 +0000
            Re: Text Files bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-02-25 00:22 +0000
            Re: Text Files Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2018-02-25 15:16 +0300
              Re: Text Files Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-02-25 15:20 -0800
                Re: Text Files Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2018-02-25 20:27 -0700
                Re: Text Files gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2018-02-26 06:19 +0000
                Re: Text Files Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2018-02-26 15:35 +0300
                Re: Text Files Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2018-02-26 20:53 +0800
                Grammar Patrol (Was: Text Files) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2018-02-26 17:54 +0000
                Re: Text Files Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2018-02-26 15:27 +0000
                Re: Text Files Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2018-02-26 18:50 +0300
                Re: Text Files Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-02-26 09:26 -0800
                Re: Text Files scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-02-26 19:46 +0000
                Re: Text Files David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-02-27 09:04 +0100
                Re: Text Files already5chosen@yahoo.com - 2018-02-27 00:56 -0800
                Re: Text Files Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2018-02-27 22:07 +1300
                Re: Text Files David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-02-27 14:37 +0100
                Re: Text Files already5chosen@yahoo.com - 2018-02-27 07:38 -0800
                Re: Text Files supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-02-27 09:18 -0800
                Re: Text Files David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-02-27 10:15 +0100
                Re: Text Files Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-02-27 08:53 -0800
                Re: Text Files Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2018-02-26 23:14 -0800
                Re: Text Files Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2018-02-26 08:32 -0700
                Re: Text Files Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-02-26 09:17 -0800
                Re: Text Files Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2018-02-26 22:55 -0800
      Re: Text Files Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2018-02-25 15:02 +0300
        Re: Text Files Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-02-25 20:12 +0000

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