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Re: QF72 story - wow

From rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com>
Newsgroups comp.arch.embedded
Subject Re: QF72 story - wow
Date 2017-05-17 19:56 -0400
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On 5/17/2017 5:27 PM, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
> On 17.5.2017 г. 23:03, rickman wrote:
>> On 5/17/2017 2:43 PM, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
>>> On 17.5.2017 г. 18:54, rickman wrote:
>>>> On 5/17/2017 11:13 AM, Reinhardt Behm wrote:
>>>> ......
>>>>>> Don't worry about the details, consider the statistics.  Computers
>>>>>> only
>>>>>> need to be better than people and so far they have been for driving
>>>>>> cars.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you have 1 in 1E6 chance of dying with a human pilot and a 1 in
>>>>>> 1E7
>>>>>> chance of dying with a computer pilot, which will you choose?
>>>>>
>>>>> When sitting in that plane over NYC my preferences would be clear.
>>>>> Against
>>>>> all  statistics.
>>>>
>>>> This is such a perfect example of emotion ruling over logic.  Thank
>>>> you.
>>>
>>> No it is not. Just the statistics are based on incomplete or invalid
>>> data.
>>>
>>> Here is an example why. Fewer people die in plain crashes per
>>> person*distance than in car crashes, this is known.
>>> However the percentage of idiots among pilots is a lot lower than
>>> among drivers; I am sure the results will be different if the same
>>> comparison is made say for planes vs. buses on reputable bus lines.
>>
>> You are mixing issues.  If you compare cars vs. airplane, that is cars
>> vs. airplanes.  What do busses have to do with anything?
>
> I am sure you see the point, you just choose denial.
>
>>
>>> Then there are nowhere near enough data to make the stats on human
>>> pilots vs. autopilots on similar enough planes, it will all be below
>>> the noise floor.
>>
>> And yet the data is there and it is clear.
>
> No it is not.
>
>>
>>
>>> Completely automated planes are a good idea a target which must be
>>> pursued but humanity is not there yet, not by a long stretch.
>>> Then given how *messy* todays software is I don't see it done any
>>> time soon.
>>
>> We don't know the future.  But again, you are discussing your emotions,
>> not the facts.
>
> Not at all, where did you see any emotion in that.
>
>>
>>
>>> I know I would want to have access to all the controls - debugging
>>> included... - if I flew an autopiloted plane *I* have programmmed - and
>>> my software is anything but messy.
>>
>> If you have no confidence in your code, I certainly don't.  I'm  staying
>> off of Popoff airlines.
>
> You are trying to be smart because you understand you are wrong now, OK.
> I am sure to understand my point well enough - which is that I would
> choose to have control even over my software which I deem safer than
> anyone elses.

If you don't want to discuss the issue, why did you reply?

-- 

Rick C

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QF72 story - wow Clifford Heath <clifford.heath@gmail.com> - 2017-05-14 22:03 +1000
  Re: QF72 story - wow BM2335 <BM265@DMM.com.au> - 2017-05-15 12:25 +0800
  Re: QF72 story - wow Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2017-05-15 16:05 +0300
    Re: QF72 story - wow Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2017-05-15 21:58 +0800
      Re: QF72 story - wow David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-05-15 16:48 +0200
        Re: QF72 story - wow Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2017-05-15 23:34 +0800
          Re: QF72 story - wow Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-05-15 18:00 +0100
          Re: QF72 story - wow Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-15 17:49 -0500
          Re: QF72 story - wow David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-05-16 09:06 +0200
            Re: QF72 story - wow upsidedown@downunder.com - 2017-05-16 19:46 +0300
          Re: QF72 story - wow rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-16 10:41 -0400
            Re: QF72 story - wow Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2017-05-17 23:13 +0800
              Re: QF72 story - wow rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-17 11:54 -0400
                Re: QF72 story - wow Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2017-05-17 21:43 +0300
                Re: QF72 story - wow rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-17 16:03 -0400
                Re: QF72 story - wow Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2017-05-18 00:27 +0300
                Re: QF72 story - wow rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-17 19:56 -0400
          Re: QF72 story - wow upsidedown@downunder.com - 2017-05-16 19:30 +0300
            Re: QF72 story - wow Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-16 23:05 -0500
            Re: QF72 story - wow Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2017-05-17 23:05 +0800
        Re: QF72 story - wow rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-16 10:25 -0400
      Re: QF72 story - wow Przemek Klosowski <przemek@tux.dot.org> - 2017-05-18 12:45 +0000
    Re: QF72 story - wow upsidedown@downunder.com - 2017-05-16 19:10 +0300
      Re: QF72 story - wow Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2017-05-16 19:48 +0300
      Re: QF72 story - wow lasselangwadtchristensen@gmail.com - 2017-05-19 17:40 -0700
  Re: QF72 story - wow Tim Wescott <seemywebsite@myfooter.really> - 2017-05-15 12:34 -0500
    Re: QF72 story - wow Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-15 17:21 -0500
    Re: QF72 story - wow rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-16 10:47 -0400
      Re: QF72 story - wow Jan Coombs <jenfhaomndgfwutc@murmic.plus.com> - 2017-05-17 10:31 +0100
        Re: QF72 story - wow Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2017-05-17 22:20 +0800
          Re: QF72 story - wow rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-17 10:36 -0400
  Re: QF72 story - wow George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2017-05-15 17:28 -0400
    Re: QF72 story - wow Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-15 17:22 -0500
    Re: QF72 story - wow Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2017-05-16 10:51 +0300
      Re: QF72 story - wow Clifford Heath <clifford.heath@gmail.com> - 2017-05-16 18:01 +1000
  Re: QF72 story - wow upsidedown@downunder.com - 2017-05-16 18:54 +0300
    Re: QF72 story - wow Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-16 23:23 -0500

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