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| From | Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.arch.embedded |
| Subject | Re: QF72 story - wow |
| Date | 2017-05-16 19:48 +0300 |
| Organization | TGI |
| Message-ID | <offaaa$eau$1@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
| References | <bIXRA.15251$Qg.1926@fx14.iad> <ofc8rq$g1i$1@dont-email.me> <jn8mhcdnfb57ucha5348s0b274d3nbivru@4ax.com> |
On 16.5.2017 г. 19:10, upsidedown@downunder.com wrote: > On Mon, 15 May 2017 16:05:11 +0300, Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> > wrote: > >> On 14.5.2017 ?. 15:03, Clifford Heath wrote: >>> This story is a doozy. >>> <http://www.smh.com.au/good-weekend/the-untold-story-of-qf72-what-happens-when-psycho-automation-leaves-pilots-powerless-20170510-gw26ae.html> >>> >> >> Interesting reading, I read almost the whole article. If I start >> commenting on the quality of the software they mut have on these planes >> I'll go into a rant predictable to all seasoned group members so >> I won't. >> >> But I am amazed that - as the article states - the board computer >> on these planes has priority over the pilots. This is not a bug, it >> is an error at the product concept level... If it is true of course, >> I still have difficulties believing that. The fact they did manage >> to gain some manual control hints towards "not quite true". > > Look at the AF286 crash at Mulhouse when after a low fly-by the plane > dropped into the trees at the hill at the end of the runway. The > automation prevented a pilot too high nose up attitude, which would > have caused a stall to the ground, causing a lot of fatalities. In > this case, the pane dropped below the tree line softly with a small > number of fatalities. > Don't get me wrong, I am anything but against automation. In the situation you describe limiting the impact of the pilot commands can be compared with say current limiting of the output of a power supply, nothing wrong limiting it such that it won't get fried because one turned a knob too much or something. Then all the large airplane controls nowadays I imagine are with servos etc., nobody in his right mind would allow pilot access to the firmware of these things which say controls the PWM of the servos. But above a certain level the pilot should be able to disable some autopilot thing which causes nosedives because it went bananas. BTW there is a nice short story from about 50 years ago by Lem, "Ananke", built on that kind of stuff (just a nice reading so I am mentioning it for those who are lucky to not have read it and can enjoy it now, one of his best IMO). Dimiter ------------------------------------------------------ Dimiter Popoff, TGI http://www.tgi-sci.com ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.flickr.com/photos/didi_tgi/
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QF72 story - wow Clifford Heath <clifford.heath@gmail.com> - 2017-05-14 22:03 +1000
Re: QF72 story - wow BM2335 <BM265@DMM.com.au> - 2017-05-15 12:25 +0800
Re: QF72 story - wow Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2017-05-15 16:05 +0300
Re: QF72 story - wow Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2017-05-15 21:58 +0800
Re: QF72 story - wow David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-05-15 16:48 +0200
Re: QF72 story - wow Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2017-05-15 23:34 +0800
Re: QF72 story - wow Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-05-15 18:00 +0100
Re: QF72 story - wow Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-15 17:49 -0500
Re: QF72 story - wow David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-05-16 09:06 +0200
Re: QF72 story - wow upsidedown@downunder.com - 2017-05-16 19:46 +0300
Re: QF72 story - wow rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-16 10:41 -0400
Re: QF72 story - wow Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2017-05-17 23:13 +0800
Re: QF72 story - wow rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-17 11:54 -0400
Re: QF72 story - wow Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2017-05-17 21:43 +0300
Re: QF72 story - wow rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-17 16:03 -0400
Re: QF72 story - wow Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2017-05-18 00:27 +0300
Re: QF72 story - wow rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-17 19:56 -0400
Re: QF72 story - wow upsidedown@downunder.com - 2017-05-16 19:30 +0300
Re: QF72 story - wow Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-16 23:05 -0500
Re: QF72 story - wow Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2017-05-17 23:05 +0800
Re: QF72 story - wow rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-16 10:25 -0400
Re: QF72 story - wow Przemek Klosowski <przemek@tux.dot.org> - 2017-05-18 12:45 +0000
Re: QF72 story - wow upsidedown@downunder.com - 2017-05-16 19:10 +0300
Re: QF72 story - wow Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2017-05-16 19:48 +0300
Re: QF72 story - wow lasselangwadtchristensen@gmail.com - 2017-05-19 17:40 -0700
Re: QF72 story - wow Tim Wescott <seemywebsite@myfooter.really> - 2017-05-15 12:34 -0500
Re: QF72 story - wow Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-15 17:21 -0500
Re: QF72 story - wow rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-16 10:47 -0400
Re: QF72 story - wow Jan Coombs <jenfhaomndgfwutc@murmic.plus.com> - 2017-05-17 10:31 +0100
Re: QF72 story - wow Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2017-05-17 22:20 +0800
Re: QF72 story - wow rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-17 10:36 -0400
Re: QF72 story - wow George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2017-05-15 17:28 -0400
Re: QF72 story - wow Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-15 17:22 -0500
Re: QF72 story - wow Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2017-05-16 10:51 +0300
Re: QF72 story - wow Clifford Heath <clifford.heath@gmail.com> - 2017-05-16 18:01 +1000
Re: QF72 story - wow upsidedown@downunder.com - 2017-05-16 18:54 +0300
Re: QF72 story - wow Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-16 23:23 -0500
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