Groups | Search | Server Info | Keyboard shortcuts | Login | Register [http] [https] [nntp] [nntps]


Groups > sci.physics.relativity > #407713

Re: Silver mirror

From Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: Silver mirror
Date 2017-02-03 12:29 -0600
Organization Aioe.org NNTP Server
Message-ID <o72i6n$1bpt$1@gioia.aioe.org> (permalink)
References (14 earlier) <7570accc-d2e7-47ce-8203-d2105a932f25@googlegroups.com> <1a7341b4-c6d2-4e37-96cf-273e4ae87e34@googlegroups.com> <dddc0b25-fb0e-44ff-bec1-f1fc7b3c3604@googlegroups.com> <o70c9i$11r$1@gioia.aioe.org> <5e703782-2e02-4f57-b626-68baee6b83fe@googlegroups.com>

Show all headers | View raw


On 2/3/2017 12:07 PM, Ed Lake wrote:
> On Thursday, February 2, 2017 at 4:36:39 PM UTC-6, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 2/2/2017 4:11 PM, Ed Lake wrote:
>>> So, we have no basis for any discussions.  That's what I've been saying.
>>>
>>> While I have a life-long general interest in science, I'm only on this forum to see if I can get information to answer 2 questions:
>>>
>>> 1.  How do velocity and gravitation CAUSE time dilation?
>>> 2.  What IS Time if velocity and gravitation can CAUSE it go faster or slower?
>>>
>>> If you think you can answer those questions with a mathematical equation, please do so.
>>>
>>> I think the answers could be the most important in the past 100 years.
>>>
>>> And I think you'll find that a lot of people asked "What causes that?" as part of developing "particle accelerators, TV's,
>>> medical scanners, high precision timing/communication devices, etc..."
>>>
>>> Ed
>>
>> OK, so at least now you're talking like an interested layman.
>> The thing is, there is precursor material that needs to be laid down,
>> preferably with some NONrelativity examples, so that you are not making
>> assumptions that are incorrect when the discussion turns to relativity.
>>
>> The first thing to get under the belt is that REAL properties include
>> intrinsic properties and extrinsic properties. They are BOTH real.
>> Intrinsic properties are the kinds of properties that are the same for
>> all observers. Extrinsic properties are different for different observers.
>>
>> A good example of an extrinsic property is the shape of the path of a
>> falling object. If I'm on a boat, at the top of a mast, and I drop a
>> stone from up there, then the path of that trajectory takes it straight
>> down to a point at the bottom of the mast. The trajector is a straight
>> line. But if I look at the same stone during the same fall from the
>> dock, the boat is moving and so the stone lands at a point displaced
>> from where it was dropped, and in fact the path of the stone is a
>> parabola. So is the shape "really" straight, or is it "really" curved?
>> The answer is Yes, but the choice depends on the observer. This is NOT a
>> matter of there being one "real" answer and other "illusory" answers.
>> They are both real, but different. It is simply an INCORRECT assumption
>> to declare that all properties must have a singular value independent of
>> observer. So eradicate that assumption from your mind.
>>
>> Another good example is time dilation. Time dilation is an extrinsic,
>> not an intrinsic phenomenon. Three different observers looking at the
>> SAME clock between the SAME two events will see three different amounts
>> of time dilation. This does not make time dilation not real, any more
>> than the shape of the trajectory of the falling stone is not real.
>>
>
> Not so.  Time dilation is an intrinsic phenomenon.

That is incorrect.

> Three different observers looking at the SAME clock between the SAME two events
> will SEE NO TIME DILATION.  They will all see the same thing.

That is also incorrect.

> Time dilation will only become apparent if they use DIFFERENT CLOCKS.
> And the difference will be REAL.

Of course it is real. It is not intrinsic.

>
>> So when you say, how does velocity CAUSE time dilation, it's not like
>> there is some physical interaction that changes an intrinsic property.
>
> WRONG!  There IS some physical interaction that changes an intrinsic property.

That's your belief, but there is no evidence to support it. The evidence 
supports relativity, which is very clear about time dilation being 
observer-dependent.

>
>> Changing the point of view of watching the stone fall on the boat
>> doesn't do anything to the stone to PHYSICALLY ALTER the stone or its
>> trajectory. So if you want to say then that there is no "real cause" as
>> in a physical interaction with the observed body, then you're right. But
>> the effect is still real without any physical interaction. It is true
>> for the shape of the trajectory or for the rate of a clock -- changing
>> the perspective introduces the change in the observed property.
>>
>> This is a new concept for a lot of spanking-new amateurs, and a lot of
>> them react violently, saying "Every change should be accountable by an
>> interaction CAUSING that change." But that assumption is simply narrow
>> minded and wrong.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>
> You clearly do not understand how time dilation works.  When the traveling
> twin goes very fast Time ACTUALLY slows down for him.  It is NOT AN ILLUSION.

You have this mistaken notion that anything that is not intrinsic is an 
illusion. I've given you some examples of that already, like the shape 
of the trajectory of a falling object, where there is no illusion but 
the reality is different for different observers.

I don't know what kind of problem you have with extrinsic properties.

Here, I'll give you another example: your kinetic energy. As you sit in 
that chair, what do you think your kinetic energy is? Zero? Well, to 
someone driving by, you are moving backwards and so in his reference 
frame you have nonzero kinetic energy. Who is right? Before you jump to 
an answer, what about the observer who is hanging out in space watching 
the earth rotate underneath, looking at you go by at 600 mph along with 
the surface of the earth. To him, you have kinetic energy. So which of 
these three is the "real" kinetic energy? Or are you going to claim that 
energy is not real?


> And the twin who stayed at home experienced "normal time," which is also time
> dilated since he was on the planet earth which is rotating on its axis while
> moving around the sun and while moving around the center of the galaxy.
>
> Both twins experienced REAL time dilation.  When I climb to the top of a building
> I will experience LESS time dilation.  If I stay at the bottom of the building I
> will experience MORE time dilation due to being closer to the center of the earth.
>
> Time dilation is occurring everywhere all the time.  When we MEASURE THE DIFFERENCE
> in time dilation between one location and another, NEITHER IS AN ILLUSION.  Both
> involve real INTRINSIC properties of matter.
>
> I've got to run some errands.  I'll be back later.
>
> Ed
>


-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

Back to sci.physics.relativity | Previous | NextPrevious in thread | Next in thread | Find similar | Unroll thread


Thread

Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians? Pentcho Valev <pvalev@yahoo.com> - 2017-01-20 23:48 -0800
  Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-01-21 04:49 -0800
    Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-01-21 05:24 -0800
      Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-01-21 06:43 -0800
        Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-01-21 06:51 -0800
        Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians? Reid Schaffner <dnfoonio@acdnfni.info> - 2017-01-21 21:34 +0000
          Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-02-02 12:53 +0100
        Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians? matt.rush200@outlook.com - 2017-01-27 04:44 -0800
          Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-01-27 08:39 -0800
            Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians? matt.rush200@outlook.com - 2017-01-27 11:23 -0800
              Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-01-27 12:43 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians? matt.rush200@outlook.com - 2017-01-27 14:19 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-01-27 15:51 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians? matt.rush200@outlook.com - 2017-01-28 04:16 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-01-28 06:02 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians? matt.rush200@outlook.com - 2017-01-28 09:19 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-01-28 10:58 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians? matt.rush200@outlook.com - 2017-01-28 12:55 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-01-28 14:32 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians? matt.rush200@outlook.com - 2017-01-29 02:56 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-01-29 04:18 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians? matt.rush200@outlook.com - 2017-01-30 05:54 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-01-30 08:24 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians? matt.rush200@outlook.com - 2017-01-31 03:17 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-01-31 04:56 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians? matt.rush200@outlook.com - 2017-01-31 09:42 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-01-31 14:56 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians? matt.rush200@outlook.com - 2017-02-01 07:06 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-02-02 05:39 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-02-02 06:29 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians? matt.rush200@outlook.com - 2017-02-02 08:05 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians? "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-01-31 23:10 +0100
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians? matt.rush200@outlook.com - 2017-02-01 09:25 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians? "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-02-01 21:06 +0100
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians? matt.rush200@outlook.com - 2017-02-01 17:39 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians? "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-02-02 21:20 +0100
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians noelturntive@live.co.uk - 2017-02-03 06:37 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-02-03 20:53 +0100
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians matt.rush200@outlook.com - 2017-02-03 13:08 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-02-04 10:22 +0100
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians Emmaline Coots <ealoa@loealoioa.los> - 2017-02-04 09:38 +0000
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians matt.rush200@outlook.com - 2017-02-04 02:51 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-02-04 05:26 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians matt.rush200@outlook.com - 2017-02-04 10:32 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-02-04 13:53 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians matt.rush200@outlook.com - 2017-02-04 15:57 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-02-04 20:06 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians matt.rush200@outlook.com - 2017-02-05 04:00 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-02-05 05:35 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians matt.rush200@outlook.com - 2017-02-05 06:02 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-02-05 07:10 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians matt.rush200@outlook.com - 2017-02-05 10:58 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-02-05 12:03 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-02-05 21:19 +0100
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-05 13:04 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-05 13:15 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-05 14:44 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-02-05 18:09 -0600
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-06 07:15 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 07:59 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-06 08:10 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 09:16 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-06 09:58 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 10:55 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-06 13:56 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians Python <python@python.invalid> - 2017-02-06 23:00 +0100
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 16:49 -0600
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-07 07:07 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-02-07 08:32 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-07 08:57 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 11:19 -0600
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-06 15:36 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 19:39 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 13:33 -0600
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-06 14:25 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 16:59 -0600
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-02-07 06:35 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 11:20 -0600
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-02-07 11:46 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians Emmaline Coots <ealoa@loealoioa.los> - 2017-02-07 20:01 +0000
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 14:02 -0600
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-02-08 06:18 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 17:08 -0600
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-02-09 06:38 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-09 09:35 -0600
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-02-09 08:19 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-02-07 10:41 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-06 09:44 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 13:35 -0600
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2017-02-13 20:25 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians matt.rush200@outlook.com - 2017-02-05 13:41 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-02-05 23:22 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-02-05 06:22 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-02-05 15:32 -0600
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians matt.rush200@outlook.com - 2017-02-05 14:13 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians? "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-01 18:13 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-02-02 00:35 -0600
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians? "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-01 22:46 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians? matt.rush200@outlook.com - 2017-02-02 04:13 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-02-02 11:25 -0600
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-02-02 00:23 -0600
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians? "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-02-02 21:19 +0100
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-02-02 21:20 -0600
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians? noelturntive@live.co.uk - 2017-02-03 08:36 -0800
            Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians? Juliana Auerbach <jaot@tognaenn.org> - 2017-01-27 19:31 +0000
            Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians? matt.rush200@outlook.com - 2017-01-27 12:29 -0800
              Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-01-27 12:54 -0800
          Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians? "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-01-28 13:48 +0100
            Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians? matt.rush200@outlook.com - 2017-01-28 05:22 -0800
              Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians? "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-01-28 17:35 +0100
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians? matt.rush200@outlook.com - 2017-01-28 09:33 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians? Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-28 09:37 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-01-28 09:54 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians? Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-28 10:07 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-01-28 12:45 -0800
                Silver mirror (was: Moving Clocks Run Slow...) Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-01-28 13:40 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror (was: Moving Clocks Run Slow...) Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-28 12:56 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror (was: Moving Clocks Run Slow...) "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-28 14:13 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror (was: Moving Clocks Run Slow...) "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-28 14:17 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-02-02 12:13 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-02 14:51 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-02 17:19 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-03 09:04 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-03 11:29 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-02-03 11:12 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-03 13:34 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-02-03 14:29 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-02-04 06:17 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-05 09:50 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-02-04 06:36 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-03 13:15 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-03 13:42 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-03 15:49 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-03 14:34 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-03 17:02 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-04 09:32 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-04 09:49 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-04 10:26 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-04 10:29 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-05 10:09 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-04 12:19 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-04 15:57 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-05 10:08 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-03 17:46 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-04 10:11 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-04 10:16 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-04 10:32 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-04 13:03 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-04 16:15 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-05 09:28 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-05 11:33 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-05 09:49 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 07:30 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-02-06 05:56 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-06 07:49 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 13:35 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-05 10:14 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-02-05 23:18 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-05 10:11 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-06 20:23 -0500
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 07:38 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-07 17:37 -0500
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-03 16:25 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-04 08:42 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-05 10:19 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-06 20:19 -0500
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 07:32 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-07 17:35 -0500
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 08:18 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-07 08:07 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 08:17 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-07 08:34 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 11:15 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 15:44 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-02-07 23:30 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-02-07 10:43 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-07 08:33 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2017-02-07 17:39 +0100
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 11:10 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-07 09:29 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-07 10:12 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-07 17:54 -0500
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 12:28 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-07 13:30 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 16:20 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 16:38 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 16:56 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-08 07:33 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 08:12 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-02-08 08:23 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-08 08:37 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 16:30 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-09 07:23 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-09 09:37 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-09 08:27 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-10 07:15 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-10 09:24 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-11 15:39 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-12 09:21 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-12 15:19 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-08 18:21 -0500
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-09 07:54 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 14:14 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-08 12:30 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-02-08 16:02 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-08 14:35 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-08 18:39 -0500
                Re: Silver mirror mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-02-08 22:52 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-09 07:08 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-09 07:29 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-09 08:11 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-10 07:15 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-10 09:07 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-11 15:39 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-12 09:14 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-12 15:24 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-10 07:15 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-10 09:15 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2017-02-10 10:07 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-10 12:33 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2017-02-10 16:21 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2017-02-10 16:52 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2017-02-10 17:44 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-11 07:01 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-11 10:42 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2017-02-11 12:22 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-11 15:39 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-12 09:26 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-02-12 12:20 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-12 12:29 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-12 15:27 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-09 09:42 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-09 08:41 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-12 15:15 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-09 09:23 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-09 09:31 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-09 09:41 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-11 15:38 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-09 17:23 -0500
                Re: Silver mirror Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-02-09 18:29 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-10 07:16 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2017-02-10 17:44 +0100
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-10 09:32 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2017-02-10 19:35 +0100
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 16:37 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-09 07:29 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-12 15:15 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-07 18:56 -0500
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 08:48 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-08 17:46 -0500
                Re: Silver mirror mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-02-07 23:29 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-08 07:20 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 08:24 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 14:15 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-08 13:01 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2017-02-08 22:46 +0100
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-09 06:51 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-09 07:37 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-09 08:22 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2017-02-09 18:10 +0100
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-10 07:14 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror Python <python@python.invalid> - 2017-02-08 23:03 +0100
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 16:47 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-08 14:56 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-08 17:54 -0500
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-09 07:39 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-08 07:05 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 14:15 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 14:15 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-08 13:30 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 16:50 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2017-02-13 11:43 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2017-02-13 11:52 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 17:46 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-07 21:08 -0500
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-08 07:51 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 08:29 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-02-08 08:44 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 08:59 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-02-08 13:33 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 19:16 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-02-08 22:54 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-02-09 06:34 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-09 07:46 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-02-09 08:26 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 14:14 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-02-08 13:23 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 16:51 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-08 08:48 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 09:06 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-02-08 09:24 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 16:30 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-09 07:17 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-09 08:00 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-02-08 09:22 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 14:15 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-08 13:24 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-08 13:42 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 16:56 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-02-09 06:55 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-09 08:03 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Emmaline Coots <ealoa@loealoioa.los> - 2017-02-09 16:09 +0000
                Re: Silver mirror moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-09 23:26 +0000
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-10 07:14 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-02-10 07:16 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-10 18:31 +0000
                Re: Silver mirror kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-02-11 05:59 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-11 14:20 +0000
                Re: Silver mirror kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-02-13 06:38 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-13 08:51 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-02-13 07:39 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-13 09:47 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-02-13 10:29 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-13 11:04 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Sanjuanita Peeples <naalu@nwmeela.org> - 2017-02-13 19:08 +0000
                Re: Silver mirror kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-02-13 13:12 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-13 21:06 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-02-13 23:29 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 06:43 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-02-14 04:50 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-13 07:59 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-02-13 10:31 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-13 10:56 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-02-13 08:14 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-13 16:11 +0000
                Re: Silver mirror mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-02-13 08:16 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-02-13 10:35 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Sanjuanita Peeples <naalu@nwmeela.org> - 2017-02-13 18:39 +0000
                Re: Silver mirror moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-14 02:28 +0000
                Re: Silver mirror rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-11 16:33 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-02-12 04:28 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-12 06:43 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-02-13 06:46 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-10 11:06 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-11 15:38 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-02-12 05:28 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-12 22:25 +0000
                Re: Silver mirror kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-02-13 06:59 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-13 16:26 +0000
                Re: Silver mirror kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-02-13 10:49 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-14 02:33 +0000
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-09 07:44 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-09 08:15 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-10 07:15 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-02-08 13:25 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-07 17:57 -0500
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-08 07:39 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-02-07 11:41 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Emmaline Coots <ealoa@loealoioa.los> - 2017-02-07 19:50 +0000
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 13:59 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror Emmaline Coots <ealoa@loealoioa.los> - 2017-02-07 20:15 +0000
                Re: Silver mirror mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-02-07 13:22 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 16:01 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 14:10 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-07 13:33 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 16:08 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-08 06:57 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-08 09:54 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-10 07:14 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-02-08 06:45 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 14:14 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-02-08 13:19 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 16:59 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-02-09 06:46 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-09 08:24 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-02-09 23:12 +0000
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-10 07:14 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-02-08 13:19 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-07 17:47 -0500
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 17:47 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-07 21:14 -0500
                Re: Silver mirror rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 18:31 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 08:47 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-08 17:50 -0500
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 17:06 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-08 20:12 -0500
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-09 09:21 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-09 17:22 -0500
                Re: Silver mirror Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-02-08 09:45 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror Emmaline Coots <ealoa@loealoioa.los> - 2017-02-08 22:06 +0000
                Re: Silver mirror benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-08 18:38 -0500
                Re: Silver mirror benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-08 18:16 -0500
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-09 08:45 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-09 09:19 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-09 17:20 -0500
                Re: Silver mirror rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-03 18:18 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-02-04 05:25 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-03 11:17 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-02-03 15:48 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Irvin Starrett <etrrarn@arneir.etr> - 2017-02-03 04:55 +0000
                Re: Silver mirror (was: Moving Clocks Run Slow...) Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-29 09:20 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror (was: Moving Clocks Run Slow...) rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-01-29 15:28 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror (was: Moving Clocks Run Slow...) Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-31 07:34 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror (was: Moving Clocks Run Slow...) "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-31 09:02 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror (was: Moving Clocks Run Slow...) "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-31 09:03 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror (was: Moving Clocks Run Slow...) rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 17:38 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror (was: Moving Clocks Run Slow...) mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-01-31 23:19 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror (was: Moving Clocks Run Slow...) rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 07:01 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror (was: Moving Clocks Run Slow...) Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-01 07:36 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror (was: Moving Clocks Run Slow...) rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 08:32 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror (was: Moving Clocks Run Slow...) Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-01 09:36 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror (was: Moving Clocks Run Slow...) "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-01 10:14 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 12:27 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-01 12:15 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 14:46 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-01 13:12 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 15:41 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-02 08:02 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-02 10:16 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-02 08:55 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-02 11:21 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-02 09:55 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-02 12:18 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-02-02 12:07 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-02 12:40 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-02 14:25 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-02-02 20:48 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2017-02-02 19:21 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-03 09:26 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-03 11:32 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-03 13:18 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-03 15:52 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2017-02-03 10:06 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-03 13:38 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-03 17:52 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2017-02-06 17:21 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 07:41 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-07 17:40 -0500
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 17:48 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-07 21:09 -0500
                Re: Silver mirror rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-02 18:59 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-03 09:35 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-03 11:28 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Emmaline Coots <ealoa@loealoioa.los> - 2017-02-03 19:33 +0000
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-03 14:17 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-03 17:02 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-04 09:40 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-04 10:10 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-04 10:45 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-03 17:28 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-03 17:58 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror (was: Moving Clocks Run Slow...) rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 18:32 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror (was: Moving Clocks Run Slow...) mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-02-01 23:41 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror (was: Moving Clocks Run Slow...) Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-02 08:26 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror (was: Moving Clocks Run Slow...) rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-02 09:12 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror (was: Moving Clocks Run Slow...) mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-02-02 09:48 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror (was: Moving Clocks Run Slow...) Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-02 14:11 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-02 16:36 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-03 10:07 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-03 12:29 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-03 14:06 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-03 16:50 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-04 09:06 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-04 09:20 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-04 10:23 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-04 10:44 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Python <python@python.invalid> - 2017-02-04 19:54 +0100
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-04 13:15 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-04 16:34 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-05 09:32 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Python <python@python.invalid> - 2017-02-05 18:40 +0100
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-05 10:00 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 13:36 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-05 11:48 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-05 15:10 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-06 06:47 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-06 07:04 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 13:34 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-02-06 14:23 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 13:33 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-05 10:33 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-06 20:29 -0500
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-05 10:22 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-05 10:26 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-05 10:30 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror (was: Moving Clocks Run Slow...) "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-02 16:34 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror (was: Moving Clocks Run Slow...) rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-02 19:13 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror (was: Moving Clocks Run Slow...) Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-03 09:42 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-03 11:54 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-03 13:22 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-03 15:55 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-04 07:56 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-04 08:13 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-04 10:16 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-04 10:36 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-04 13:06 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Python <python@python.invalid> - 2017-02-04 22:08 +0100
                Re: Silver mirror rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-04 16:40 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-05 09:38 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-05 15:20 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-02-05 23:27 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-06 06:51 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 07:14 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 13:35 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 07:30 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-06 07:27 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-06 07:38 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 08:05 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-06 08:16 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 09:21 -0800

(Thread has 633 articles, showing 500 — browse group in flat view)


csiph-web