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Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians

From Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians
Date 2017-02-06 16:59 -0600
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On 2/6/2017 4:25 PM, Ed Lake wrote:
> On Monday, February 6, 2017 at 1:32:59 PM UTC-6, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 2/6/2017 11:58 AM, Ed Lake wrote:
>>> Colloquially and logically.  It may conflict with your beliefs, but that's your problem.
>>
>> Colloquially yes. Logically no.
>>
>> You'll find out, Ed, that time dilation is not the result of clocks
>> running slow. It is the result of the relativity of synchronization of
>> clocks.
>
> Where do you get this CRAP from?  Who said that time dilation is the RESULT of clocks
> running slow?  Do you just MAKE THIS STUFF UP to be annoying?

Let me put it to you differently. Time dilation is not clocks running slow.

>
> And what the f..k does "result of the relativity of synchronization of clocks" mean?
> It's just meaningless gibberish.  (Yes, I know you cannot explain it any better because
> you do not understand it yourself.)

I'm happy to explain it to you, provided you FIRST look at Einstein's 
paper from 1905 and acknowledge that Einstein said, and relativity 
continues to say, that a pair of clocks that are synchronized in one 
reference frame will be found to be not synchronized in any other frame.
Here's the soundbite, though I do suggest you reread the whole paper:
"Observers moving with the moving rod would thus find that the two 
clocks were not synchronous, while observers in the stationary system 
would declare the clocks to be synchronous."

and further...

"So we see that we cannot attach any absolute signification to the 
concept of simultaneity, but that two events which, viewed from a system 
of co-ordinates, are simultaneous, can no longer be looked upon as 
simultaneous events when envisaged from a system which is in motion 
relatively to that system."

You earlier stated that, as far as your common sense tells you, any two 
clocks that are synchronized with each other in one frame must 
necessarily be synchronized with each other in any frame. You also 
stated that Einstein said nothing about the synchronization of clocks 
being different in different frames. Since you clearly have made an 
error here, at least embrace that correction. THEN I can show you how 
that is relevant to time dilation and length contraction.

>
>>
>> You're jumping too far ahead, too fast. You've skipped some essential steps.
>>
>> Before you can deal with the twin puzzle or GPS or Hafele-Keating, you
>> need to learn where time dilation comes from in the simpler case of two
>> pairs of clocks passing each other. This is why Einstein in his
>> popularization chose an example of two lightning strikes and a train on
>> a track. Start there first. This will help correct your "logical"
>> misunderstanding that it has to do with slow-down of clocks.
>
> NO!  If you start with two pairs of clocks passing each other, YOU LEARN
> NOTHING ABOUT TIME DILATION.  You ONLY learn about RELATIVITY.  And the lesson
< will be an BAD lesson that will cause ENDLESS misunderstandings.

Then you have not understood what Einstein wrote about it.

>
> Einstein's train examples were also about RELATIVITY, not about time dilation,
> and resulted in a hundred years of misunderstandings.

Sorry, but he was setting you up to understand how time dilation comes 
about. Please CONSIDER the possibility that you have made a mistake 
early on, and that there may be a need to retract some of your thinking.

>
> The real, natural phenomenon of time dilation CAUSES the relativity issues.
> If all you do is study relativity issues and examples, YOU WILL NEVER
> UNDERSTAND TIME DILATION.

Sorry, Ed, but it's clear that you did not understand much of what 
Einstein wrote.

>
>>
>> --
>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>
> Jeeze.  NINE messages from Odd Bodkin expressing his OPINIONS.  A couple
> days ago it was THIRTEEN in a row.  I ignored all of those, and I'm going
> to ignore the other 8 here, since they are just personal opinions of no
> concern to me.

Ed, consider the quote from the 1905 paper. These are Einstein's own 
words. If you think he is WRONG, then come out and say so. If you think 
he was right, and that his words were later distorted, then at least 
let's get straight on what he actually said.

If at this point you are completely unable to confront having made a 
mistake because you have too much invested in it, then you will be 
unable to learn anything. Learning involves recognizing your own mistakes.

>
> Ed
>


-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-02-04 20:06 -0800
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                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians matt.rush200@outlook.com - 2017-02-05 06:02 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-02-05 07:10 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians matt.rush200@outlook.com - 2017-02-05 10:58 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-02-05 12:03 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-02-05 21:19 +0100
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-05 13:04 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-05 13:15 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-05 14:44 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-02-05 18:09 -0600
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-06 07:15 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 07:59 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-06 08:10 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 09:16 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-06 09:58 -0800
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                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-06 13:56 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians Python <python@python.invalid> - 2017-02-06 23:00 +0100
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 16:49 -0600
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-07 07:07 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-02-07 08:32 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-07 08:57 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 11:19 -0600
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-06 15:36 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 19:39 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 13:33 -0600
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-06 14:25 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 16:59 -0600
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-02-07 06:35 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 11:20 -0600
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-02-07 11:46 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians Emmaline Coots <ealoa@loealoioa.los> - 2017-02-07 20:01 +0000
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 14:02 -0600
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-02-08 06:18 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 17:08 -0600
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-02-09 06:38 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-09 09:35 -0600
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-02-09 08:19 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-02-07 10:41 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-06 09:44 -0800
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 13:35 -0600
                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2017-02-13 20:25 -0800
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                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-02-05 06:22 -0800
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                Re: Moving Clocks Run Slow or... Fast, Einsteinians matt.rush200@outlook.com - 2017-02-05 14:13 -0800
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                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-03 09:35 -0800
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                Re: Silver mirror Emmaline Coots <ealoa@loealoioa.los> - 2017-02-03 19:33 +0000
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-03 14:17 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-03 17:02 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-04 09:40 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-04 10:10 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-04 10:45 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-03 17:28 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-03 17:58 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror (was: Moving Clocks Run Slow...) rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 18:32 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror (was: Moving Clocks Run Slow...) mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-02-01 23:41 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror (was: Moving Clocks Run Slow...) Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-02 08:26 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror (was: Moving Clocks Run Slow...) rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-02 09:12 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror (was: Moving Clocks Run Slow...) mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-02-02 09:48 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror (was: Moving Clocks Run Slow...) Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-02 14:11 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-02 16:36 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-03 10:07 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-03 12:29 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-03 14:06 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-03 16:50 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-04 09:06 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-04 09:20 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-04 10:23 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-04 10:44 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Python <python@python.invalid> - 2017-02-04 19:54 +0100
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-04 13:15 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-04 16:34 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-05 09:32 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Python <python@python.invalid> - 2017-02-05 18:40 +0100
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-05 10:00 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 13:36 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-05 11:48 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-05 15:10 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-06 06:47 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-06 07:04 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 13:34 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-02-06 14:23 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 13:33 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-05 10:33 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-06 20:29 -0500
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-05 10:22 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-05 10:26 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-05 10:30 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror (was: Moving Clocks Run Slow...) "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-02 16:34 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror (was: Moving Clocks Run Slow...) rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-02 19:13 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror (was: Moving Clocks Run Slow...) Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-03 09:42 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-03 11:54 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-03 13:22 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-03 15:55 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-04 07:56 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-04 08:13 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-04 10:16 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-04 10:36 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-04 13:06 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Python <python@python.invalid> - 2017-02-04 22:08 +0100
                Re: Silver mirror rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-04 16:40 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-05 09:38 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-05 15:20 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-02-05 23:27 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-06 06:51 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 07:14 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 13:35 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 07:30 -0600
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-06 07:27 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-06 07:38 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 08:05 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-06 08:16 -0800
                Re: Silver mirror rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 09:21 -0800

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