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Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics

From	moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics
Date	2017-01-24 16:09 +0000
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kenseto <setoken@att.net> writes:

>On Saturday, January 21, 2017 at 1:10:34 PM UTC-5, Ed Lake wrote:
>> On Saturday, January 21, 2017 at 11:36:19 AM UTC-6, kenseto wrote:
>> > On Saturday, January 21, 2017 at 11:38:01 AM UTC-5, Ed Lake wrote:
>> > > And we're all still paying the price for that BIG mistake.

>> > SRT's inertial frame is just anther name for the ether frame. That' why
>> > SRT and LET have the same math. Also that's why SRT is incomplete.....
>> > it failed to include gravity.

Stupid Ken, that is why Einstein later created GR.  SR is the simpler
theory where gravity doesn't exist or is too small to matter.  Later on,
Einstein figured out how gravity works, and created GR, and SR is now a
subset of GR, these days SR is simply GR with zero gravity.

>> > A new theory of relativity called IRT is invented.

Nobody cares about theories that are complete, total failures.

>> > IRT includes SRT and LET as subsets.

That is just one reason why IRT is a complete, total failure. It is 
claimed that SR is a subset of IRT, but if that were true, IRT would
have to agree with everything SR has to say.  But IRT disagrees with SR
so IRT contradicts itself, claiming to both agree with and disagree with
SR.

A genuine subset is how SR is a subset of GR.  SR is just GR with zero
gravity. If you use GR rather than SR to evaluate situations where gravity
is either zero or too small to matter, you'll get the same answer as SR.
That's why SR is a subset of GR. GR agrees with everything SR has to say
in situations where SR applies (where there is no gravity).

>> There's no reason to accept your assumptions.  They run contrary to the
>> facts and evidence.  And since the facts and evidence say your 
>> assumptions are false, your conclusions must also be false.

>You have no fact or evidence......just unsupported assertions.

Stupid Ken, it is you who is always making unsupported assertions (what Ed
called assumptions here), such as SR being a subset of failed IRT.

And Stupid Ken, remember this quote: "It doesn't matter how beautiful your 
theory is, it doesn't matter how smart you are. If it doesn't agree with 
experiment, it's wrong." Richard P. Feynman

Stupid Ken, why don't you fix IRT? Someday, you'll kick the bucket, and if
IRT isn't fixed by then, IRT will go to rot on the pile of failed physics
theories, and IRT will quickly be forgotten by everyone.

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The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Pentcho Valev <pvalev@yahoo.com> - 2017-01-20 13:22 -0800
  Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato <rvalls162@gmail.com> - 2017-01-20 14:12 -0800
    Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-01-20 16:52 -0800
      Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato <rvalls162@gmail.com> - 2017-01-23 03:19 -0800
        Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-01-23 10:34 -0600
          Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-01-24 04:20 +1100
          Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-01-23 09:32 -0800
          Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato <rvalls162@gmail.com> - 2017-02-03 15:58 -0800
            Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-02-03 16:13 -0800
              Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato <rvalls162@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 08:46 -0800
        Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-01-23 16:24 -0800
  Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-01-20 16:53 -0800
  Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-01-21 06:43 +0100
  Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-21 14:12 +0000
  Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-21 08:37 -0800
    Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-21 08:49 -0800
    Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-21 09:36 -0800
      Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-21 10:10 -0800
        Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Reid Schaffner <dnfoonio@acdnfni.info> - 2017-01-21 21:23 +0000
        Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-22 06:45 -0800
          Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-22 08:24 -0800
            Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-22 17:31 +0000
              Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-22 09:58 -0800
                Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-23 16:33 +0000
              Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-22 10:24 -0800
                Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-23 16:36 +0000
                Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-23 09:52 -0800
                Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-24 01:22 +0000
                Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-23 21:23 -0800
                Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-23 21:29 -0800
                Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-24 13:44 +0000
                Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-24 11:52 -0800
            Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-22 10:54 -0800
          Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-01-24 16:09 +0000
    Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-01-21 21:32 +0100
      Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-21 13:43 -0800
        Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-01-22 04:25 +0100
          Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-22 08:16 -0800
            Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-01-22 17:59 +0100
              Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-22 10:33 -0800
                Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-22 10:44 -0800
                Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-01-23 06:34 +0100
                Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-22 22:06 -0800
                Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-01-24 06:49 +0100
                Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-23 22:41 -0800
                Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-23 22:45 -0800
                Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-01-24 23:08 +0100
                Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-24 14:35 -0800
                Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-01-25 06:34 +0100
                Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-01-26 06:15 +0100
                Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-01-29 06:54 +0100
                Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-23 11:57 -0800
                Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-23 12:00 -0800
                Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-23 14:38 -0800
                Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-24 01:27 +0000
    Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-23 09:27 -0600
      Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-01-23 18:13 -0600
        Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-24 01:39 +0000
        Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-01-23 23:38 -0800
          Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-24 13:55 +0000
            Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-01-24 06:34 -0800
              Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-24 23:10 +0000
                Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-01-24 23:08 -0800
                Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-25 15:11 +0000
                Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-01-25 07:35 -0800
                Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-26 11:22 +0000
                Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-01-26 03:30 -0800
                Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-26 17:15 +0000
                Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-01-27 19:19 -0500
                Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-01-28 04:25 +0100
                Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-28 10:53 +0000
                Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-01-28 03:08 -0800
                Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-28 14:31 +0000
                Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-01-28 06:55 -0800
                Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-29 03:41 +0000
                Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-01-28 20:18 +0100
                Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-29 04:03 +0000
                Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-01-29 07:21 +0100
                Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-28 22:44 -0800
                Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-01-29 20:25 +0100
                Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-29 12:32 -0800
                Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-29 12:35 -0800
                Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-01-30 23:57 +0100
                Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-29 22:16 +0000
                Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-01-30 23:47 +0100
                Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-31 13:01 +0000
                Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-02-01 06:51 +0100
                Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-02-01 09:10 +0000
                Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-02-01 01:27 -0800
                Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-02-01 13:23 +0000
  The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Pentcho Valev <pvalev@yahoo.com> - 2017-01-21 16:42 -0800
  Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Alan Folmsbee <omnilobe@gmail.com> - 2017-01-22 11:04 -0800
    Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-22 11:50 -0800
    Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-01-23 06:24 +0100

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