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Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics

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Am 22.01.2017 17:16, schrieb Ed Lake:

>>>>> Is the train moving or is the train standing still while the train station moves?
>>>>>
>>>>> Any intelligent person would KNOW by examining ALL the evidence, that the train was moving and it only MOMENTARILY SEEMED like the train station was moving past the window while the train was standing still.
>>>>>
>>>> Any intelligent person would know, that the train station is not at
>>>> rest, since it sits of the surface of planet Earth.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Any intelligent person would know that, if the question is "Which is moving, the train or the train station?," the answer is "The train."
>>>
>>> Yes, in the grander scheme of things, the train station is ALSO moving.  But, WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF THE QUESTION?  Was it to determine which was an illusion and which was real, or was the purpose of the question to create an argument where everyone disagrees with everyone else forever?
>>>
>>>> This planet spins around our local star ('Sun') and that around the
>>>> centre of the galaxy. Also our home galaxy moves about the local cluster
>>>> and that moves, too.
>>>>
>>>> So we could not speak of 'true' rest of anything, since we simply do not
>>>> know, were we have something not moving.
>>>>
>>>> To overcome this problem I suggest a method I call 'subjectivism'.
>>>>
>>>> This goes: everybody is at rest, since everybody defines 'at rest' in
>>>> the way, that this definition allows him to stay at rest.
>>>>
>>>> So: everybody IS the centre of the universe, while these universes are
>>>> slightly different from different perspectives.
>>>>
>>>> Hence the train is at rest and the station moves (by definition of the
>>>> passenger in that particular train).
>>>>
>>>> If you sit in the train station you would define otherwise and let the
>>>> train move.
>>>>
>>>> But you cannot decide who is right, since actually both definitions are
>>>> wrong (because of Earth' rotation and so forth).
>>>>
>>>> But since no sufficient definition of 'at rest' exists, it is only to
>>>> fair to allow equality of individual wrongness.
>>
>>> I guess it all depends upon your goals.  If your goal is to argue that the universe makes no sense and there's no way to tell what is real and what is not real, then your methodology will certainly accomplish that.
>>>
>>> If your goal is to determine what is real and what is just a misunderstanding in the specific situation of a train moving out of a train station, then you need to understand how things can APPEAR to happen illogically, but when all the facts are known, it is all very logical.
>>>
>>> My goal is to understand how the universe works (including illusions).
>>>
>>> Your goal is apparently to argue that it is not possible to understand how the universe works because everything can be an illusion.
>>
>>
>> No, I have a similar goal as you have.
>>
>> And I have also an answer. This is a concept I have developed, that I
>> call 'structured spacetime'.
>
> You have developed your own theory about the universe.  I can't really comment on your theory.  I think Einstein's theories are the correct theories.  I just think that many people (primarily mathematicians) have misinterpreted Einstein's theories.  That's the subject that interests me.  Evaluating a totally different theory would take too much time away from what really interests me.  Sorry.

There are actually a lot of people, who had developed own ideas about 
similar problems in physics.

I think about my own idea, that it would be the best thing possible. But 
most others do the same and like their brainchilds, too.

But it is very difficult to find out, who is actually correct.

This is so, because such 'inventors' are - of course -  far away from 
the mainstream and have therefore little support. This puts burden on 
such people, since they have to defend their ideas themselves.

And similar are the problems for the audience, since nobody would tell 
them, what is right or wrong with such unconventional concepts.

The only solution I have found for this problem is to invent on the own.

Then it is possible to compare other inventions with the own and 
estimate, which concept looks promising.

But you need something, that you believe in and trust about its 
validity, since you have invented it yourselve.


TH

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