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Re: "Let’s Stop Bashing C"

From Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: "Let’s Stop Bashing C"
Date 2016-12-06 13:40 +0000
Organization Fix this later
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On 06/12/16 13:07, David Brown wrote:
> On 06/12/16 13:25, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>> On 06/12/16 12:07, BartC wrote:
>>> On 06/12/2016 02:34, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>>
>>>> But bashing C is as completely and utterly pointless and fruitless as
>>>> bashing any other language. You don't like it? Use something different.
>>>> What's the problem?
>>>
>>> If there was always a choice, then that would be fine.
>>
>> Oh, there's always a choice (although sometimes the choice may not be
>> palatable).
>>
>
> Often there is a perfectly reasonable choice - use C, adapted to the
> features you want.
>
> If you (like me) think it is a daft idea to have block limiters
> optional, then always include them in the code you write.  Problem solved.
>
> If you (like me) think the bitwise operator precedence is silly, then
> always use brackets or put the bitwise stuff and the comparison in
> different expressions.  Problem solved.
>
> If you (like me) think that default fall-through in switches is madness,
> then use "break" religiously and enable compiler warnings to help.
> Problem solved.
>
> If you (like me) don't like complicated and unclear declarations, then
> use typedef's as needed until everything /is/ clear.  Problem solved.
>
>
> And so on.
>
> Just because C lets you write "risky" or illegible code, does not mean
> you have to write your code that way - even if you have no choice but to
> program in C.
>
>
> Of course, that doesn't solve the problem of dealing with other people's
> code.  But other people's code is always terrible, no matter what
> language you are using.
>
> <http://dilbert.com/strip/2013-02-24>
> <http://dilbert.com/strip/2014-08-12>

And although it's difficult to believe, sometimes our own code is terrible:

<http://dilbert.com/strip/1996-01-31>

-- 
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
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"Let’s Stop Bashing C" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2016-12-05 19:57 -0600
  Re: "Let’s Stop Bashing C" Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-12-06 02:34 +0000
    Re: "Let’s Stop Bashing C" BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-06 00:13 -0600
      Re: "Let’s Stop Bashing C" BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-12-06 23:15 +0000
        Re: "Let’s Stop Bashing C" BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-06 21:16 -0600
    Re: "Let’s Stop Bashing C" Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-12-06 11:54 +0000
    Re: "Let’s Stop Bashing C" BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-12-06 12:07 +0000
      Re: "Let’s Stop Bashing C" Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-12-06 12:25 +0000
        Re: "Let’s Stop Bashing C" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-12-06 14:07 +0100
          Re: "Let’s Stop Bashing C" Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-12-06 13:40 +0000
        Re: "Let’s Stop Bashing C" jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2016-12-06 19:40 +0100
          Re: "Lete2��s Stop Bashing C" Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2016-12-06 13:55 -0500
            Re: "Lete2��s Stop Bashing C" Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-12-06 19:13 +0000
              Re: "Lete2��s Stop Bashing C" Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-12-06 11:51 -0800
                Re: "Lete2��s Stop Bashing C" supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-06 12:22 -0800
            Re: "Lete2��s Stop Bashing C" jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2016-12-06 20:16 +0100
            Re: "Lete2�™s Stop Bashing C" supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-06 11:20 -0800
              Re: "Lete2�™s Stop Bashing C" jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2016-12-06 22:15 +0100
                Re: "Lete2�™s Stop Bashing C" Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2016-12-06 16:49 -0500
                Re: "Lete2�™s Stop Bashing C" supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-06 14:24 -0800
                Re: "Lete2�™s Stop Bashing C" jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2016-12-07 00:07 +0100
                Re: micro-architectural details Noob <root@127.0.0.1> - 2016-12-07 22:04 +0100
                Re: micro-architectural details jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2016-12-07 23:44 +0100
                Re: micro-architectural details BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-12-07 23:02 +0000
                Re: micro-architectural details Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-12-07 15:28 -0800
                Re: micro-architectural details Noob <root@127.0.0.1> - 2016-12-08 21:36 +0100
                Re: micro-architectural details supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-08 12:56 -0800
                Re: micro-architectural details Noob <root@127.0.0.1> - 2016-12-08 23:03 +0100
                Re: micro-architectural details supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-08 14:21 -0800
                Re: micro-architectural details Noob <root@127.0.0.1> - 2016-12-08 23:36 +0100
                Re: micro-architectural details BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-12-08 21:59 +0000
                Re: micro-architectural details Noob <root@127.0.0.1> - 2016-12-08 23:25 +0100
                Re: micro-architectural details supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-08 14:34 -0800
                Re: micro-architectural details Noob <root@127.0.0.1> - 2016-12-08 23:59 +0100
                Re: micro-architectural details Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-12-09 00:18 +0100
                Re: micro-architectural details fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2016-12-09 00:06 -0800
                Re: micro-architectural details jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) - 2016-12-09 11:35 +0000
                Re: micro-architectural details BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-12-09 12:12 +0000
                Re: micro-architectural details David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-12-09 13:33 +0100
                Re: micro-architectural details Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2016-12-09 15:41 -0800
                Re: micro-architectural details Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2016-12-10 09:28 -0800
                Re: micro-architectural details supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-10 09:58 -0800
                Re: micro-architectural details Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2016-12-14 22:53 -0800
                Re: micro-architectural details Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-11 03:10 -0600
                Re: micro-architectural details jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) - 2016-12-11 13:48 +0000
                Re: micro-architectural details BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-12-11 14:43 +0000
                Re: micro-architectural details Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-11 16:23 +0000
                Re: micro-architectural details Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-12-11 12:53 -0800
                Re: micro-architectural details Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-11 21:27 +0000
                Re: micro-architectural details supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-11 08:46 -0800
                Re: micro-architectural details Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2016-12-14 21:14 -0800
                Re: micro-architectural details supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-15 08:25 -0800
                Re: micro-architectural details Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2016-12-14 21:11 -0800
                Re: micro-architectural details BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-12-15 14:28 +0000
                Re: micro-architectural details David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-12-11 18:38 +0100
                Re: micro-architectural details Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2016-12-15 00:25 -0800
                Re: micro-architectural details supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-09 07:42 -0800
                Re: micro-architectural details Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-12-09 11:54 -0800
                Re: micro-architectural details David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-12-09 10:27 +0100
                Re: other missing features (no-brainers) Noob <root@127.0.0.1> - 2016-12-09 17:05 +0100
                Re: micro-architectural details jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) - 2016-12-09 09:51 +0000
                Re: "Lete2�™s Stop Bashing C" Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-12-06 20:42 -0500
                Re: "Lete2�™s Stop Bashing C" supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-06 14:16 -0800
                Re: "Lete2�™s Stop Bashing C" jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2016-12-07 00:31 +0100
                Re: "Let's Stop Bashing C" Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-12-06 15:55 -0800
                Re: "Let's Stop Bashing C" jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2016-12-07 01:01 +0100
                Re: "Lete2�™s Stop Bashing C" supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-06 16:42 -0800
                Re: "Lete2�™s Stop Bashing C" jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2016-12-07 01:55 +0100
                Re: "Lete2�™s Stop Bashing C" supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-07 07:11 -0800
                Re: "Lete2??s Stop Bashing C" Ike Naar <ike@iceland.freeshell.org> - 2016-12-06 23:05 +0000
                Re: "Lete2??s Stop Bashing C" jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2016-12-07 00:43 +0100
                Re: "Lete2??s Stop Bashing C" Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-07 03:06 +0000
                Re: "Lete2??s Stop Bashing C" jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2016-12-07 11:47 +0100
                Re: "Lete2??s Stop Bashing C" Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2016-12-07 03:10 -0800
                Re: "Lete2??s Stop Bashing C" Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2016-12-07 03:13 -0800
                Re: "Lete2??s Stop Bashing C" Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-07 11:47 +0000
                Re: "Lete2??s Stop Bashing C" Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-12-07 12:08 +0000
                Re: "Lete2??s Stop Bashing C" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-12-07 23:45 +0100
                Re: "Lete2??s Stop Bashing C" jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2016-12-08 00:22 +0100
                Re: "Lete2??s Stop Bashing C" Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-12-07 15:32 -0800
                Re: "Let's Stop Bashing C" jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2016-12-08 01:25 +0100
                Re: "Let's Stop Bashing C" supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-07 16:36 -0800
                Re: "Let's Stop Bashing C" Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-12-07 17:09 -0800
                Re: "Let's Stop Bashing C" jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2016-12-08 10:28 +0100
                Re: "Let's Stop Bashing C" Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-12-08 08:34 -0800
                Re: "Let's Stop Bashing C" Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2016-12-08 20:08 +0000
                Re: "Lete2??s Stop Bashing C" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-12-08 10:24 +0100
                Re: "Lete2??s Stop Bashing C" jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2016-12-08 15:49 +0100
                Re: "Lete2??s Stop Bashing C" Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-08 15:23 +0000
                Re: "Lete2??s Stop Bashing C" jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2016-12-08 16:58 +0100
                Re: "Lete2??s Stop Bashing C" Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-08 18:57 +0000
                Re: "Lete2??s Stop Bashing C" Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-12-08 15:29 +0000
                Re: "Lete2??s Stop Bashing C" jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2016-12-08 17:09 +0100
                Re: "Lete2??s Stop Bashing C" Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-12-08 16:41 +0000
                Re: "Lete2??s Stop Bashing C" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-12-08 17:04 +0100
                Re: "Lete2??s Stop Bashing C" jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2016-12-08 17:15 +0100
                Re: "Lete2??s Stop Bashing C" Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2016-12-08 11:34 -0500
                Re: "Lete2??s Stop Bashing C" jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2016-12-08 18:40 +0100
                Re: "Lete2??s Stop Bashing C" supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-08 10:00 -0800
                Re: "Lete2??s Stop Bashing C" Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-08 19:05 +0000
                Re: "Lete2??s Stop Bashing C" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-12-08 19:58 +0100
                Re: "Lete2??s Stop Bashing C" supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-08 08:22 -0800
                Re: "Lete2??s Stop Bashing C" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-12-08 20:12 +0100
                Re: "Lete2??s Stop Bashing C" supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-08 11:40 -0800
                Re: "Lete2??s Stop Bashing C" Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-10 02:44 -0600
                Re: "Lete2??s Stop Bashing C" Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-12-08 16:22 +0000
                Re: "Lete2??s Stop Bashing C" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-12-08 20:14 +0100
                Re: "Lete2??s Stop Bashing C" Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-10 02:19 -0600
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                Re: "Lete2??s Stop Bashing C" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-12-08 22:05 +0100
                Re: "Lete2??s Stop Bashing C" jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2016-12-08 22:14 +0100
                Re: "Lete2??s Stop Bashing C" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-12-09 10:39 +0100
                Re: "Lete2??s Stop Bashing C" supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-08 13:33 -0800
                Re: "Lete2??s Stop Bashing C" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-12-09 11:13 +0100
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                Re: "Lete2??s Stop Bashing C" Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-07 23:43 -0600
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                Re: "Lete2??s Stop Bashing C" jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2016-12-07 11:45 +0100
                Re: "Lete2??s Stop Bashing C" Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-12-07 09:22 -0800
                Re: "Lete2??s Stop Bashing C" jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2016-12-07 11:49 +0100
                Re: "Lete2??s Stop Bashing C" Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-12-07 09:28 -0500
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