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Re: The Fourth Forth eBook in our little series - Programming Forth - Stephen Pelc

From Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com>
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Subject Re: The Fourth Forth eBook in our little series - Programming Forth - Stephen Pelc
Date 2016-08-08 11:25 -0500
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On 8/8/2016 5:13 AM, franck.bensusan@gmail.com wrote:
> Le dimanche 7 août 2016 23:02:49 UTC+2, Cecil - k5nwa a écrit :
>> I'm not sure but oForth have Listbuffers, mutable list of items with
>> your standard features, get, save, insert, copy,and delete items or
>> entire list, plain list are immutable so they are not as useful but
>> still usable to hold non-changing data such as conversion patterns. I'm
>> not an expert so take the information on this reply with a grain of salt.
>>
>
> Yes.
>
> Items into listbuffers are not limited to integers.
> They can also be others objects, or even other lists.
> In that case, the listbuffer holds a pointer to the object. For instance :
>
> ListBuffer new
> 12 over add
> 12.3 over add
> 4 seq over add
> "abcdef" over add
> [ "abc" , "def" , "ghi" ] over add
> .s
> [1] (ListBuffer) [12, 12.3, [1, 2, 3, 4], abcdef, [abc, def, ghi]]
> ok
> #size over map .s
> 1] (List) [1, 1, 4, 6, 3]
> 2] (ListBuffer) [12, 12.3, [1, 2, 3, 4], abcdef, [abc, def, ghi]]
> ok
>
> But you are right : for small integers, the listbuffer (and lists) holds
> the integer value, not a pointer to this integer.
>
> Franck
> http://www.oforth.com
>
Thanks for the extra information, I should have been more clear, in that 
the ListBuffer could hold not just integers, I just mentioned "items" 
and didn't specify what the items were.

ListBuffer is a very powerful and useful feature in oForth, quite handy 
for use with applications that require complex data structures and its 
manipulation. That is one of many powerful features in oForth that are 
helpful in writing applications. The only negative I would say about 
oForth is the documentation, alas a failing of many programs, otherwise 
oForth seems to have been built with a purpose, which is to efficiently 
write applications for the desktop computer.

I have two pieces of software that I been interested in lately, and they 
both have complex data storage and manipulation, One is a BT+ database 
program to be converted from Delphi Pascal, the second a complex Text 
Macro Processing Tool. In trying to figure out what software tools I 
will use, so I will be trying out some test programs in 8th, oForth, and 
VFX Forth with Hugh's library. I will be looking at ease of 
implementation, and the speed as in both software tools, speed is vital 
in order for them to be usable.

Today I started the process, I'm trying to figure out a test which will 
be representative of the task that will need to be done in writing those 
two applications, yet be as simple as possible. Unfortunately my brain 
seems fixated in a Delphi Pascal solution, I sometimes find it hard to 
think in terms of Forth when complex programs need to be created, when 
thinking about complex task my brain wants to switch to Delphi Pascal on 
auto-pilot, I'm hoping to fix that with these two projects.
-- 
Cecil - k5nwa

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