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Re: The Fourth Forth eBook in our little series - Programming Forth - Stephen Pelc

From Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.forth
Subject Re: The Fourth Forth eBook in our little series - Programming Forth - Stephen Pelc
Date 2016-08-07 07:05 -0500
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On 8/7/2016 3:06 AM, Paul Rubin wrote:
> Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> writes:
>> I found several sources of documentation on eForth, enough to
>> be dangerous maybe, but better than a sharp stick in the eye. I have
>> several sources of documentation on eForth from C H Ting.
>
> Bill Muench's site is down but you can probably find his eforth pages in
> the wayback machine.  IIRC there was eforth itself, a metacompiler for
> eforth, and a juiced-up version of eforth with more optimizations than
> the stripped down version.  Ting's version was different in that it was
> bootstrapped from x86 assembly code, which he felt was easier for Forth
> newbies to understand.  Jeff Fox has some discussion of this idea on his
> site someplace.  I found the original eforth code to be quite readable,
> but it is a very minimal Forth that uses a lot of clever tricks to be
> tiny.
>

I'll look there but I often found that the Wayback machine doesn't 
include downloads, which is OK if all you want is the web pages but you 
never can tell, so I'll look.

> There is a C conversion here that is also simple:
>
>  http://chiselapp.com/user/tehologist/repository/compc/home
>
Interesting version, I'll look at it. The eForth version I'm currently 
using has a meta-compiler so it generates a native code version to run 
on the target system, that is and advantage because of it's ability to 
run faster in the target system.

> Mostly I don't understand quite what you're trying to do.  Gforth is
> reasonably fast and well documented, and it has plenty of creature
> comforts (at least in the language implementation).  So I'd probably use
> it if the target machine is powerful enough for it.  For smaller targets
> there's lots of other choices such as FlashForth, Mecrisp, CamelForth,
> etc. etc. in addition to eForth.  Plus of course there are the
> commercial implementations, that have real compilers, good support,
> etc., at the expense of actual $$$$.  And then there are variants like
> oForth and 8th, that are more machine hungry than traditional Forth, but
> that can make life easier in various ways.
>
   What am I trying to do? I wonder myself but what I'm looking for is a 
simple Forth that is easy to understand and modify for some embedded but 
mostly custom Forth CPUs. The version I'm using is not your standard 
eForth version, it starts out as a Windows version of eForth, it has a 
very simple meta-compiler, and assembler, and a source version of eForth 
that uses very few machine language primitives, and mostly it's written 
in eForth itself so it's easy to convert to other CPUs. It's from C H 
Ting but it's not the Standard eForth you find out there,  he uses it in 
his FPGA projects because it's so easy to modify for new CPUs which is 
what I'm working with.

GForth on the other hand is build for desktop use, not easily changeable 
to other CPUs and quite large sot not suited for my purposes. I am aware 
of other Forth such as meCrisp, and NoForth for embedded use, both of 
these seem to be excellent at what they do, their issue is that adapting 
them to use with custom FPGA CPUs is not trivial task compared to the 
eForth version I mentioned above.

As for other desktop tools I did purchased a copy of 8th and I'm looking 
at oForth for a special desktop project that require a lot of list and 
text manipulation, hopefully one of them will work for that purposes.

There is a certain appeal to eForth because of it's simplicity, and 
using it for custom CPUs and for the Desktop with a souped up version 
would make life a little easier in the sense that for both targets one 
is basically using similar versions of Forth.
-- 
Cecil - k5nwa

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