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| From | anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.forth |
| Subject | Re: The Fourth Forth eBook in our little series - Programming Forth - Stephen Pelc |
| Date | 2016-08-11 11:58 +0000 |
| Organization | Institut fuer Computersprachen, Technische Universitaet Wien |
| Message-ID | <2016Aug11.135855@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> (permalink) |
| References | (5 earlier) <1e5face5-63f8-4811-83b7-5355a7f99f46@googlegroups.com> <2016Aug8.103457@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <3aae28c2-6767-4ba6-89f9-f5d6aa93eeaa@googlegroups.com> <2016Aug9.155313@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <0427dca0-465f-40d7-9673-8e19eb9df575@googlegroups.com> |
hughaguilar96@gmail.com writes:
>On Tuesday, August 9, 2016 at 7:08:55 AM UTC-7, Anton Ertl wrote:
>> hughaguilar96@gmail.com writes:
>> >On Monday, August 8, 2016 at 2:05:38 AM UTC-7, Anton Ertl wrote:
>> >> There is no provision in the standard for FIND giving an error on
>> >> valid input.
>> >
>> >According to the ANS-Forth document in the entry for IF (section 6.1.170=
>0):=3D
>> > "Interpretation semantics for this word are undefined." The ANS-Forth d=
>ocu=3D
>> >ment has a section (4.1.2) with the ominous heading: "Ambiguous Conditio=
>ns.=3D
>> >" One of the many ambiguous conditions is: "attempting to obtain the exe=
>cut=3D
>> >ion token, (e.g., with 6.1.0070 ', 6.1.1550 FIND, etc.) of a definition =
>wit=3D
>> >h undefined interpretation semantics."
>>=20
>> Good catch. Interestingly, the definition of FIND does not mention
>> that, and given the return values that FIND can produce, and the way
>> that FIND is used, I don't think it makes sense. =20
>
>Well, I'm glad that you are admitting that FIND in ANS-Forth is broken. I w=
>ould use the term "sabotaged" because there is no point to making FIND not =
>work except to prevent the programmer from writing an outer-interpreter.
>
>It is disingenious to describe this as a "good catch" in the year 2016. You=
> yourself pointed this problem out to me in 2009, and you provided the way =
>to fix it. This was in this thread:
>https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.lang.forth/wP5nw1ClzsM%5B1-25%=
>5D
FIND does not occur in that posting.
I dimly remember you pointing out that ambiguous condition at another
occasion, though, but obviously that has not stuck in my memory
enough, or I would not have written the sentence above.
- anton
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