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Re: Free electrons versus bound electrons

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omnilobe@gmail.com writes:

>On Monday, May 23, 2016 at 5:55:41 AM UTC-10, Michael Moroney wrote:
>> Proof it isn't:

>> Assume the universe is in a state where every electron is paired with a
>> proton, distant or not, and every proton is paired with an electron. Along
>> comes an energetic gamma photon, and it produces an electron-positron
>> pair.  Since a proton is not produced, we now have an electron which is
>> not paired with a proton, since there is no proton to pair it with, since
>> every other proton is already paired with an electron.

>Reference Book on pair production from a gamma ray hitting an electron: 
>Book Title "Nuclear Radiation Interaction" by Yip, page 203, "in pair 
>production the photon interacts with the electric field of the nucleus."

>Dear M. Moroney, as the Reference states, an electron is not alone when 
>the gamma photon hits, it is near a proton. There are no single electrons 
>in a vast vacuum, without a proton. Gamma ray pair production is always is 
>observed near a nucleus. The positron is also near a proton as a temporary 
>effect of charge reversal in one place and anti reversal in its paired 
>nucleus. The photon hits the electric field around the nucleus "and an 
>electron-positron pair is emitted". Page 202, Yip.

Why yes, pair production always takes place near a body that momentum can be
transferred to to conserve momentum, usually a nucleus. But that doesn't
change anything.  Remember, all protons in that nucleus are already each
paired with an electron somewhere before the gamma comes along, given my
initial condition.  Once the gamma comes along and produces the
electron-positron pair, that electron cannot be paired with any proton in
the nucleus, since each proton was already previously paired with a
*different* electron somewhere.  Or, if you want to claim that a proton in
the nucleus is now paired with the newly-created electron because that
electron is (momentarially) closest to the proton at the time of creation,
we now have the *formerly* paired electron without a proton to be paired
with.

So, regardless of the need for the nucleus for pair production, after the
gamma comes along and produces an electron-positron pair, we now have an
electron without a proton to pair with.  *Which* electron doesn't have a
proton to pair with isn't relevant.

(And you didn't answer: What about the positron? Does it have an antiproton 
to pair with?)

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