Re: Free electrons versus bound electrons

From	moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Newsgroups	sci.physics
Subject	Re: Free electrons versus bound electrons
Date	2016-05-24 02:11 +0000
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omnilobe@gmail.com writes:

>1 : The positron is made in a pair, so the totoal charge imbalance is zero.
> The gamma photon hit an electron near a nucleus. A pair was made, plus and
> minus equals zero. The nucleus is affected by momentum, energy, and internal
> excitation of a type that may include charge neutralization. That charge
> neutrality exists after pair production.

Charge conservation was never an issue. You claimed that every electron 
had a proton to pair with, and gamma->e-e+ is a simple refutation of that.

Yes, it's safe to say that for every electron there is a positive charge
of some sort (proton, positron or whatever) to counter its charge, and
anything else negative (negative muons, antiprotons, whatever) also has a
positive charge out there to counter its charge.  I won't claim there is a
one-to-one pairing, however, consider a star, a mix of plasma, a bunch of
electrons and positive ions and bare nuclei.

>2 : No. The positron has no anti-proton, it has a proton in an excited
>nucleus.

So, according to you, gamma->e-e+ produces _two_ electrons without a
proton pairmate. Not just one, as I said.  The electron from the e-e+
pair, and another electron that used to be paired with the proton which is
now paired with the positron.  (and why no antimatter mirror symmetry?)

> Charge neutrality is always preserved during pair production.

Never in doubt.

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  Re: Free electrons versus bound electrons Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-05-22 16:16 +0200
  Re: Free electrons versus bound electrons omnilobe@gmail.com - 2016-05-22 07:58 -0700
    Re: Free electrons versus bound electrons Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-05-22 17:36 +0200
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      Re: Free electrons versus bound electrons HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-05-22 08:52 -0700
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                Re: Free electrons versus bound electrons benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-23 08:10 -0400
                Re: Free electrons versus bound electrons HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-05-23 06:37 -0700
                Re: Free electrons versus bound electrons benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-23 21:05 -0400
    Re: Free electrons versus bound electrons Mikkel Haaheim <mikkelhaaheim@gmail.com> - 2016-05-23 00:20 -0700
      Re: Free electrons versus bound electrons moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-05-23 15:55 +0000
        Re: Free electrons versus bound electrons HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-05-23 09:13 -0700
        Re: Free electrons versus bound electrons omnilobe@gmail.com - 2016-05-23 09:29 -0700
          Re: Free electrons versus bound electrons moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-05-23 17:17 +0000
            Re: Free electrons versus bound electrons omnilobe@gmail.com - 2016-05-23 15:41 -0700
              Re: Free electrons versus bound electrons moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-05-24 02:11 +0000
                Re: Free electrons versus bound electrons omnilobe@gmail.com - 2016-05-23 20:48 -0700
        Re: Free electrons versus bound electrons Mikkel Haaheim <mikkelhaaheim@gmail.com> - 2016-05-23 13:59 -0700
          Re: Free electrons versus bound electrons moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-05-23 22:02 +0000
    Re: Free electrons versus bound electrons "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-05-23 21:10 -0700
  Re: Free electrons versus bound electrons moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-05-22 23:02 +0000
    Re: Free electrons versus bound electrons john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-05-22 16:20 -0700
      Re: Free electrons versus bound electrons moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-05-23 04:01 +0000
      Re: Free electrons versus bound electrons Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-23 11:33 -0500
        Re: Free electrons versus bound electrons HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-05-23 09:40 -0700
          Re: Free electrons versus bound electrons benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-23 21:23 -0400
  Re: Free electrons versus bound electrons Mikkel Haaheim <mikkelhaaheim@gmail.com> - 2016-05-23 00:22 -0700
  Re: Free electrons versus bound electrons Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-23 11:27 -0500
  Re: Free electrons versus bound electrons "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-05-24 12:00 -0700
    Re: Free electrons versus bound electrons Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2016-05-24 13:01 -0700
      Re: Free electrons versus bound electrons "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-05-26 01:20 -0700
      Re: Free electrons versus bound electrons "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-05-29 13:55 -0700

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