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Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science.

From	"Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk>
Newsgroups	alt.atheism
Subject	Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science.
Date	2015-08-20 14:51 +0100
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On 19/08/2015 21:57, Dreamer In Colore wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 10:07:03 +0100, "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> On 19/08/2015 01:04, niunian wrote:
>>> On 2015-08-18 11:34 PM, nature bats last wrote:
>>>> On Monday, August 17, 2015 at 11:30:15 PM UTC-7, niunian wrote:
>>>>> On 2015-08-18 07:12 AM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
>>>>>> In article <b0ab36ab-3f79-4496-b325-9a9ae530f140@googlegroups.com>,
>>>>>>     nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Monday, August 17, 2015 at 10:49:44 AM UTC-7, niunian wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2015-08-17 11:56 PM, nature bats last wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, August 16, 2015 at 8:11:51 PM UTC-7, niunian wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2015-08-16 11:55 PM, John Ritson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> In article <mqpvas$r80$1@dont-email.me>, niunian
>>>>>>>>>>> <niunian@ymail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> writes
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2015-08-16 01:33 PM, William December Starr wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <mqke7b$vf2$10@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> William December Starr wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Living itself is a purpose. And it is a great purpose. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worship the God of living.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well I guess if you're going to anthropomorphize -- excuse me,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deus-morphize -- _any_ concept, then yes, any concept is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> God of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something.  That gets us rather deep into "so what?" territory
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, if we can agree on the fact of life which shows everybody
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> including the atheists has a god of their own on a personal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> level,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We can't.  You use the words 'god' and 'God' in ways that are so
>>>>>>>>>>>>> non-standard that I doubt you make sense to anyone but yourself.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That only because you have never thought of God/god on a personal
>>>>>>>>>>>> level.
>>>>>>>>>>>> God is not out there in the sky. God is within you who is the
>>>>>>>>>>>> center
>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> your life. You actually live your life for God even when you call
>>>>>>>>>>>> yourself an atheist.
>>>>>>>>>>> So (according to you) everybody lives their life for God.
>>>>>>>>>>>> When you don't live your life for the God within
>>>>>>>>>>>> you, you always suffer in life.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ..> > But since (according to you) everybody lives their life for
>>>>>>>>> God,
>>>>>>>>> nobody
>>>>>>>>> ..> > 'always suffers'.
>>>>>>>>> ..> > You are just talking rubbish.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ..> No. If we can always live our lives for God, we would never
>>>>>>>>> suffer.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> .> > Try that one out on someone with reflex sympathetic dystrophy
>>>>>>> .> > or paroxysmal extreme pain disorder or complex regional pain
>>>>>>> syndrome.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> .> For people who have to live a difficult life, when they live
>>>>>>> their life
>>>>>>> .> for God, they may still have to endure the physical pain in
>>>>>>> their body,
>>>>>>> .> but they don't have to endure any mental suffering in their mind.
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> .> > There are few things that cause "suffering in their mind" more than
>>>> .> > perpetual severe pain. Why did you say something so incredibly
>>>> stupid?
>>>>
>>>> .> Not really, the suffering in people's mind can only exist when
>>>> there is
>>>> .> an image of self in their mind which dominates their life. When a
>>>> person
>>>> .> stops living for that empty image and starts living for the spirit of
>>>> .> God within him/her, suffering in their mind will be taken away by God.
>>>> .> There will be no self pity or the feeling of personal failure and
>>>> injury
>>>> .> anymore. There will only be a simple acceptance of life and the desire
>>>> .> to make the best of it whenever and however possible.
>>>>
>>>> And the suffering of the body continues.
>>>>
>>>> I would suggest that it would take nothing more elaborate
>>>> than a thumbscrew to cause you to reconsider your insouciant
>>>> attitude towards physical pain.
>>>
>>> I believe you, but that does not mean I have to add suffering on top of
>>> the physical pain to make my life miserable. You can make my body
>>> miserable, but I'm not going to help you to make my life miserable too.
>>>
>>
>> Get married.
>> Find out all about a miserable life.
>>
>
> Oi!
>
> I like being married. I'm more civilized than I would be otherwise;
> I've learned more social graces, discovered more things I wouldn't
> have ordinarily considered, and I'm certainly going to live longer
> than I would have if I were single.

To translate: you've been broken to the bridle.
:-P


>
> I'll wager it's your consumption of things like haggis and headcheese
> that render sane women out of bounds for you, ya mad bastid.
>

Whyever would I want a women in the first place who does not appreciate 
the finer things in life?

Might as well get hooked up with a vegetarian!

Thread

Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-16 01:33 -0400
  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-16 20:24 +0800
    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-16 10:55 -0400
      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 11:01 +0800
    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. John Ritson <j.ritson@hotmail.co.uk> - 2015-08-16 16:55 +0100
      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 11:11 +0800
        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-17 13:39 +0100
          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-17 12:34 -0400
            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-18 11:55 +0100
          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-18 01:10 +0800
            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-17 14:38 -0400
        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-17 08:56 -0700
          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-18 01:49 +0800
            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-17 11:02 -0700
              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-08-17 16:12 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-18 14:11 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 08:34 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 08:04 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 18:13 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 21:11 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-19 12:26 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-20 07:08 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-20 09:31 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-21 09:59 +0100
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-21 21:05 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-08-21 18:44 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-22 08:50 +0100
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-08-22 07:03 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-22 16:37 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-19 10:07 +0100
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 21:21 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Dreamer In Colore <dreamerincolore@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-19 16:57 -0400
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-20 14:51 +0100
              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-18 14:14 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 08:25 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 08:16 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 18:10 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 21:24 +0800

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