Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin

From	jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Newsgroups	sci.space.policy, sci.physics, sci.astro, rec.arts.sf.science
Subject	Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin
Date	2016-04-08 23:13 +0000
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
Message-ID	<miqltc-fb8.ln1@mail.specsol.com> (permalink)
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In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
> Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hpe.com> wrote:
> 
>>In sci.space.policy Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote:
>>> They're reasonable if they work.  SpaceX is trying to avoid adding
>>> other engines to the Falcon 9 first stage.  The stage could hover
>>> and land, for example, if it added Super Draco engines to the first
>>> stage.  But, they require different fuel and oxidizer than the first
>>> stage carries.  This would mean adding completely different tanks,
>>> plumbing, and etc.  for those engines.  Also, if Super Dracos were
>>> used, it would be advantageous to deplete the kerosene and then vent
>>> any remaining LOX in the tanks before landing.  So, any "leftover"
>>> fuel and oxidizer would be "wasted".  In my book, this would not be
>>> a good trade to make.
>>
>>If one wanted to give the Falcon 9 first stage the ability to hover,
>>wouldn't the most straightforward way to do that be create a
>>deeply-throttled Merlin?
>>
> 
> Straightforward, perhaps, but it's a very big design change so you
> start with having to requalify as if it's a whole new engine.
 
Yet you were just saying in another thread space stuff doesn't have
bureaucrat bullshit.
 

-- 
Jim Pennino

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Successful flight by Blue Origin Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2015-11-24 18:10 -0500
  Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com> - 2015-11-24 19:38 -0500
    Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-11-24 20:15 -0500
      Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Alain Fournier <alain245@videotron.ca> - 2015-11-24 21:01 -0500
        Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin David Spain <nospam@127.0.0.1> - 2015-11-27 08:07 -0500
  Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-11-24 19:59 -0500
    Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2015-11-25 09:50 -0500
      Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Dr J R Stockton <reply1500@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2015-11-26 22:28 +0000
        Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2015-11-27 14:14 -0500
          Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-11-28 00:31 -0500
            Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin David Spain <david.l.spain@gmail.com> - 2015-11-30 11:17 -0800
              Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-11-30 17:24 -0500
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2015-12-01 05:53 -0500
    Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2015-11-27 14:10 -0500
  Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2015-12-05 08:41 -0500
    Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2015-12-05 10:14 -0500
    Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2016-04-05 21:49 -0400
      Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-06 21:30 +0000
        Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-04-07 06:07 -0400
          Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 12:45 -0700
            Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Thomas Womack <twomack@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2016-04-08 16:41 +0100
            Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-04-08 18:27 -0400
          Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hpe.com> - 2016-04-07 17:43 +0000
            Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 12:56 -0700
              Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-04-08 18:26 -0400
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2016-04-10 08:40 -0400
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-04-11 06:11 -0400
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com> - 2016-04-11 06:37 -0400
              Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-08 23:13 +0000
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 22:01 -0700
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 06:27 +0000
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 08:08 -0700
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 19:03 +0000
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 13:20 -0700
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 21:17 +0000
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 20:22 -0700
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-10 06:11 +0000
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 06:43 -0700
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-10 17:09 +0000
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 17:39 -0700
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-11 19:13 +0000
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 19:59 -0700
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-12 06:10 +0000
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 07:12 -0700
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-12 18:25 +0000
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 15:36 -0700
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-12 23:19 +0000
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 22:23 -0700
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-13 18:18 +0000
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 13:06 -0700
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-13 20:44 +0000
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 19:24 -0700
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-14 04:29 +0000
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-04-14 01:06 -0600
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-14 18:22 +0000
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 00:56 -0700
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-14 18:28 +0000
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 14:42 -0700
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-14 22:35 +0000
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 17:22 -0700
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-15 00:47 +0000
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 19:30 -0700
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-15 21:45 +0000
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-15 16:09 -0700
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-16 00:02 +0000
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-16 02:59 -0700
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-16 17:03 +0000
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-16 11:28 -0700
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-16 19:17 +0000
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-16 12:52 -0700
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-16 20:50 +0000
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-16 19:40 -0700
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-17 05:24 +0000
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-16 23:59 -0700
          Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 10:29 -0700
            Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-04-09 16:31 -0400
              Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 18:33 -0700
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-04-10 11:22 -0400
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 15:16 -0700
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-04-12 21:47 -0400
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 19:18 -0700
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-04-13 06:27 -0400
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 18:35 -0700
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin nj_kruse@me.com (Niels Jørgen Kruse) - 2016-04-13 09:48 +0200
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-04-13 06:28 -0400
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 18:36 -0700
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-04-14 22:50 -0400
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 22:09 -0700
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 21:39 -0700

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