Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin

From	jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Newsgroups	sci.space.policy, sci.physics, sci.astro, rec.arts.sf.science
Subject	Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin
Date	2016-04-12 23:19 +0000
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
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In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> 
>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>> 
>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hpe.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.space.policy Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They're reasonable if they work.  SpaceX is trying to avoid adding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other engines to the Falcon 9 first stage.  The stage could hover
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and land, for example, if it added Super Draco engines to the first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage.  But, they require different fuel and oxidizer than the first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage carries.  This would mean adding completely different tanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plumbing, and etc.  for those engines.  Also, if Super Dracos were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used, it would be advantageous to deplete the kerosene and then vent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any remaining LOX in the tanks before landing.  So, any "leftover"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fuel and oxidizer would be "wasted".  In my book, this would not be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a good trade to make.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If one wanted to give the Falcon 9 first stage the ability to hover,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wouldn't the most straightforward way to do that be create a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>deeply-throttled Merlin?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Straightforward, perhaps, but it's a very big design change so you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> start with having to requalify as if it's a whole new engine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yet you were just saying in another thread space stuff doesn't have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bureaucrat bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cite?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sure, it was by someone called Fred J. McCall talking about nuclear
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>reactors on Mars being cheap for lack of bureaucrat bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, you REALLY don't comprehend English, do you?  Either that or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you're just so intellectually dishonest everything sounds different to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you.  Note that even if you interpret that one instance the way you do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (which is twisted) it doesn't say what you claim I've said.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop making up lies, Chimp.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stop taking mind altering drugs, space cadet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop begging to suck my dick, Chimp.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>Sounds like someone would really like being in an all male isolated
>>>>>>>>>>>>environment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, but it doesn't matter how much you beg.  You're not my type.  I
>>>>>>>>>>> prefer them female, smart, cute, and human.  You miss on all four.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Yet you seem to know nothing about them such as they have been putting
>>>>>>>>>>diapers on their babies since antiquity.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> It's called 'cloth', not 'diapers', you stupid twat.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>Cloth is raw stock.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Diapers, shirts, pants, sheets, etc. are finished goods, you stupid twat.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> And BOTH cloth and finished goods were IMPORTED to the Colonies, you
>>>>>>> dumb cunt.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>So what, space cadet?
>>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>> So your claims in this regard, like so many of your claims, are
>>>>> chimpshit, chimpshit.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Both cloth and finished goods are imported to the US from Sri Lanka.
>>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yeah, they are, so we still don't qualify as a successful colony by
>>>>> your definitions because we can't cloth ourselves without imports.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Does that mean you can not survive in the US without imports from
>>>>>>Sri Lanka, space cadet?
>>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>> There's more of that chimpshit wriggling between "survive" and "live
>>>>> in a rich suburb"...
>>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>Nope, I've never deviated from the facts that it is trivial to survive
>>>>on the Earth just about anywhere and impossible to survive on Mars without
>>>>21st century technology, and a lot of it.
>>>>
>>> 
>>> And you've never explained all those failed colonies and dead people.
>>>
>> 
>>Sure I have but they have nothing to do with surviving on Mars.
>>
> 
> But they do have everything to do with your proclaimed ease of
> survival in the Americas naked and unafraid, you intellectually
> dishonest twat.
 
As the Americas had somewhere between 50 million and 100 million, and
growing, people before the Europeans arrived, and you can not live
longer than about 5 seconds on Mars without 21st century technology,
the difference in ease of survival should be obvious to everyone other
than starry eyed space cadets who read too many comic books.

 
-- 
Jim Pennino

Thread

Successful flight by Blue Origin Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2015-11-24 18:10 -0500
  Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com> - 2015-11-24 19:38 -0500
    Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-11-24 20:15 -0500
      Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Alain Fournier <alain245@videotron.ca> - 2015-11-24 21:01 -0500
        Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin David Spain <nospam@127.0.0.1> - 2015-11-27 08:07 -0500
  Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-11-24 19:59 -0500
    Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2015-11-25 09:50 -0500
      Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Dr J R Stockton <reply1500@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2015-11-26 22:28 +0000
        Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2015-11-27 14:14 -0500
          Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-11-28 00:31 -0500
            Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin David Spain <david.l.spain@gmail.com> - 2015-11-30 11:17 -0800
              Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-11-30 17:24 -0500
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2015-12-01 05:53 -0500
    Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2015-11-27 14:10 -0500
  Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2015-12-05 08:41 -0500
    Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2015-12-05 10:14 -0500
    Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2016-04-05 21:49 -0400
      Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-06 21:30 +0000
        Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-04-07 06:07 -0400
          Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 12:45 -0700
            Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Thomas Womack <twomack@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2016-04-08 16:41 +0100
            Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-04-08 18:27 -0400
          Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hpe.com> - 2016-04-07 17:43 +0000
            Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 12:56 -0700
              Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-04-08 18:26 -0400
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2016-04-10 08:40 -0400
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-04-11 06:11 -0400
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com> - 2016-04-11 06:37 -0400
              Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-08 23:13 +0000
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 22:01 -0700
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 06:27 +0000
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 08:08 -0700
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 19:03 +0000
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 13:20 -0700
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 21:17 +0000
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 20:22 -0700
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-10 06:11 +0000
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 06:43 -0700
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-10 17:09 +0000
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 17:39 -0700
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-11 19:13 +0000
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 19:59 -0700
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-12 06:10 +0000
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 07:12 -0700
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-12 18:25 +0000
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 15:36 -0700
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-12 23:19 +0000
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 22:23 -0700
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-13 18:18 +0000
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 13:06 -0700
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-13 20:44 +0000
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 19:24 -0700
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-14 04:29 +0000
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-04-14 01:06 -0600
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-14 18:22 +0000
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 00:56 -0700
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-14 18:28 +0000
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 14:42 -0700
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-14 22:35 +0000
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 17:22 -0700
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-15 00:47 +0000
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 19:30 -0700
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-15 21:45 +0000
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-15 16:09 -0700
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-16 00:02 +0000
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-16 02:59 -0700
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-16 17:03 +0000
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-16 11:28 -0700
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-16 19:17 +0000
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-16 12:52 -0700
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-16 20:50 +0000
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-16 19:40 -0700
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-17 05:24 +0000
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-16 23:59 -0700
          Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 10:29 -0700
            Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-04-09 16:31 -0400
              Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 18:33 -0700
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-04-10 11:22 -0400
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 15:16 -0700
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-04-12 21:47 -0400
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 19:18 -0700
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-04-13 06:27 -0400
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 18:35 -0700
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin nj_kruse@me.com (Niels Jørgen Kruse) - 2016-04-13 09:48 +0200
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-04-13 06:28 -0400
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 18:36 -0700
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-04-14 22:50 -0400
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 22:09 -0700
                Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 21:39 -0700

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