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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.space.policy, sci.physics, sci.astro, rec.arts.sf.science |
| Subject | Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin |
| Date | 2016-04-16 19:17 +0000 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <rnfauc-4gl.ln1@mail.specsol.com> (permalink) |
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In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> >>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hpe.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.space.policy Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They're reasonable if they work. SpaceX is trying to avoid adding >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other engines to the Falcon 9 first stage. The stage could hover >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and land, for example, if it added Super Draco engines to the first >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage. But, they require different fuel and oxidizer than the first >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage carries. This would mean adding completely different tanks, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plumbing, and etc. for those engines. Also, if Super Dracos were >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used, it would be advantageous to deplete the kerosene and then vent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any remaining LOX in the tanks before landing. So, any "leftover" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fuel and oxidizer would be "wasted". In my book, this would not be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a good trade to make. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If one wanted to give the Falcon 9 first stage the ability to hover, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wouldn't the most straightforward way to do that be create a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>deeply-throttled Merlin? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Straightforward, perhaps, but it's a very big design change so you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> start with having to requalify as if it's a whole new engine. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yet you were just saying in another thread space stuff doesn't have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bureaucrat bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cite? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sure, it was by someone called Fred J. McCall talking about nuclear >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>reactors on Mars being cheap for lack of bureaucrat bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, you REALLY don't comprehend English, do you? Either that or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you're just so intellectually dishonest everything sounds different to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you. Note that even if you interpret that one instance the way you do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (which is twisted) it doesn't say what you claim I've said. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop making up lies, Chimp. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stop taking mind altering drugs, space cadet. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop begging to suck my dick, Chimp. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sounds like someone would really like being in an all male isolated >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>environment. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, but it doesn't matter how much you beg. You're not my type. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prefer them female, smart, cute, and human. You miss on all four. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yet you seem to know nothing about them such as they have been putting >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>diapers on their babies since antiquity. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's called 'cloth', not 'diapers', you stupid twat. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Cloth is raw stock. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Diapers, shirts, pants, sheets, etc. are finished goods, you stupid twat. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And BOTH cloth and finished goods were IMPORTED to the Colonies, you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dumb cunt. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>So what, space cadet? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So your claims in this regard, like so many of your claims, are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chimpshit, chimpshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Both cloth and finished goods are imported to the US from Sri Lanka. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, they are, so we still don't qualify as a successful colony by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your definitions because we can't cloth ourselves without imports. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Does that mean you can not survive in the US without imports from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sri Lanka, space cadet? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There's more of that chimpshit wriggling between "survive" and "live >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in a rich suburb"... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Nope, I've never deviated from the facts that it is trivial to survive >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>on the Earth just about anywhere and impossible to survive on Mars without >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>21st century technology, and a lot of it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And you've never explained all those failed colonies and dead people. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sure I have but they have nothing to do with surviving on Mars. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But they do have everything to do with your proclaimed ease of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> survival in the Americas naked and unafraid, you intellectually >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dishonest twat. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>As the Americas had somewhere between 50 million and 100 million, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>growing, people before the Europeans arrived, ... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And then it didn't. Apparently survival isn't as easy as you claim. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>It is if you don't have invaders killing off roughly 80% of the population >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>with imported diseases. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Diseases are a part of that 'nature' thing. Apparently you only count >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it when it HELPS survival. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>No life and no disease on Mars, so what happened the the American >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>indiginous population is irrelevant. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unknown, even if you assume we don't bring something with us. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Odds are there are no diseases on Mars and it is trivial to prevent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>carrying any to Mars. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> So you go from an absolute statement to "odds are". What are the >>>>>>>>>>>>> odds, then, Jim? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>I's say somewhere around .9 with a shitload of 9s after it to 1. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> And just what do you base that on, other than an almost total lack of >>>>>>>>>>> information? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "There are ongoing investigations assessing the past habitability >>>>>>>>> potential of Mars, as well as the possibility of extant life." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sounds like they think the odds are much higher than you do. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Sounds like ass covering to me so no matter the outcome they can't >>>>>>>>be called wrong. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Of course it does, because, as you've made obvious, reality never >>>>>>> intrudes into a Chimp Position. >>>>>> >>>>>>Of course ignoring the fact that none of your links contain the probability >>>>>>number YOU demanded from me. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I didn't state a positive opinion. You did. I *ASKED* what you >>>>> thought the odds of your opinion being correct were. You stupidly >>>>> pulled one out of your ass and then denied that that was the source >>>>> and now you're caught. >>>>> >>>> >>>>When did I EVER say it was other than MY estimate, space cadet? >>>> >>> >>> When you posted cites that you purported were in support of your >>> number, chimp. >> >>When did I EVER say it was other than MY estimate, space cadet? >> > > When you posted cites that you purported were in support of your > number, chimp. > >>>> >>>>Can you prove the number wrong, space cadet? >>>> >>> >>> It's a 'sci' hierarchy newsgroup, chimp. That's not how it works. YOU >>> put forward claims then YOU support them. It's not everyone else's >>> job to research your shit for you and disprove your silly opinions. >> >>When did I EVER say it was other than MY estimate, space cadet? >> > > When you posted cites that you purported were in support of your > number, chimp. > >>> Assertion: The Sun is powered by angels lighting their farts. >>> >>> Can you PROVE that wrong, chimpshit? >> >>Of course. >> > > Do so. > >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_habitability >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Nothing really germane to the discussion except that Mars seems to >>>>>>>>> fall within the 'habitable band' where there could be life. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_on_Mars >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Lots of speculation about life (particularly microbial life) on Mars >>>>>>>>> and no reason to put the odds of no life where you do. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_on_Mars >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Read the section titled "Possible biosignatures". Sounds like the >>>>>>>>> odds are a lot higher than your opinion. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_of_Mars >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And yet another cite that doesn't support Jimp the Chimp's conclusion. >>>>>>>>> I think we've discovered the problem... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Yes we have, you are a know-it-all, blow hard, bile spewing, bully. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How does your cites not supporting your position that you claim is >>>>>>> based on them make me any of those things, much less all of them? >>>>>> >>>>>>How do any of my cites NOT support the position that life on Mars >>>>>>is highly unlikely, space cadet? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Why, because they don't, Chimp, any more than they "support the >>>>> position" that magic makes everything work. >>>>> >>>> >>>>Sure, all those links about the conditions being outside the parameters >>>>for life as we know it would lead one to the conlusion that life MUST >>>>exist in some shelted, special place. >>>> >>> >>> Chimp, we've found life HERE ON EARTH in conditions that were outside >>> the parameters for life as we knew them at the time. No one has said >>> what your last sentence says. However, even NASA seems to be putting >>> the odds a lot higher than you do since the discovery of liquid water >>> (which puts you right back into those 'parameters for life' you claim >>> Mars is outside of. >> >>So the odds of finding life on Mars is what? >> >>>> >>>>And we are talking about now, not what might have been millions of >>>>years ago when Mars may have had oceans. >>>> >>> >>> Yes, we are. And yes, you're making remarkably stupid statements >>> (again). >> >>So the odds of finding life on Mars is what? >> > > You tell me. > >>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Blot before you short out your keyboard, Chimp. >>>>>> >>>>>>Wipe the spittle and drool from you chin, space cadet. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The best you can manage is tu quoque? Really? >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Notice that nowhere did anyone give any numeric odds of life on Mars >>>>>>>>as you demanded of me, space cadet. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Demanded"? I just asked. You spit out a number. I asked what it >>>>>>> was based on. You cited a bunch of stuff that doesn't support your >>>>>>> number. You would have embarrassed yourself less if you'd simply said >>>>>>> "I pulled it out of my ass", since that's what you did. >>>>>> >>>>>>The number was my estimate, as requested by you, based on the available >>>>>>evidence. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The number is your estimate. You got that right. But it's based on >>>>> nothing but your own biases. >>>>> >>>> >>>>What you call biases I call reading the literature and forming an opinion. >>>> >>> >>> Except "the literature" as you've cited it doesn't seem to support >>> your pathologically opinionated view. >> >>So the odds of finding life on Mars is what? >> > > You tell me. > >>> >>>> >>>>If in your space cadet fantasies you are expecting to find life on Mars, >>>>too bad. >>>> >>> >>> Gods, but you are remarkably stupid. >> >>So the odds of finding life on Mars is what? >> > > You tell me. > >>> >>>>>> >>>>>>That the available evidence makes the likelyhood of life on Mars very >>>>>>small is not my problem, space cadet. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Except it doesn't, chimpshit. >>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>None of which is relevant to Mars as there is zero life on Mars, which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>includes diseases. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unproven. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The people that go to Mars better hope there are no diseases on Mars. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>... and you can not live >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>longer than about 5 seconds on Mars without 21st century technology, ... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So you keep claiming. It's everyone else that's nuts and not you, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>So you are saying it doesn't take 21st century technology to be able >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to live and work in what is for all practical purposes a vacuum? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the difference in ease of survival should be obvious to everyone other >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>than starry eyed space cadets who read too many comic books. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, so now it's EASE of survival. You do keep moving the goalposts, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't you, chimp? See Biosphere. Right down the road from here. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ease as in the amount of required support equipment and the complexity >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>of the support equipment, space cadet. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For colonies to survive they historically needed 'leading edge' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> technology in support. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Nope, just about everything needed in the New World was centuries old. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>About the only thing that was 'leading edge' was firearms, which they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wouldn't NEED if they didn't piss of the natives. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't be silly. Why wouldn't they import the latest available rather >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than breaking tools out of museums, as you seem to think they did? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Don't be silly. The latest available, except for firearms, was the same >>>>>>>>>>>>>>as it had been for a thousand years or so. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't be silly. It was your American indigenes that were static, not >>>>>>>>>>>>> Europe. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Don't be an ignorant fool. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Don't be stupid chimp droppings. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Don't be a bile spewing, school yard bully. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Don't be a bile spewing, school yard bully lying hypocrite. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Talking to yourself? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sometimes it feels that way, what with me being the only intellect >>>>>>> involved. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Yep, you are the only one in the parade that is in step. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Gods, ANOTHER tu quoque argument? You really are remarkably stupid. >>>>> >>>> >>>>My statement would have to be a logical fallacy, which it is not. >>>> >>> >>> Your statement is, BY DEFINITION, a logical fallacy. Ad Hominem (tu >>> quoque). >> >>Says the wacko denier every bit as wacko as the Holocaust deniers. >> > > You're a lying sack of shit, Jim. Racist deniers such as yourself are not worth talking to. -- Jim Pennino
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Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-14 22:35 +0000
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Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-16 02:59 -0700
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-16 17:03 +0000
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-16 11:28 -0700
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-16 19:17 +0000
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-16 12:52 -0700
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-16 20:50 +0000
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-16 19:40 -0700
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-17 05:24 +0000
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-16 23:59 -0700
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 10:29 -0700
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-04-09 16:31 -0400
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 18:33 -0700
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-04-10 11:22 -0400
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 15:16 -0700
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-04-12 21:47 -0400
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 19:18 -0700
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-04-13 06:27 -0400
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 18:35 -0700
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin nj_kruse@me.com (Niels Jørgen Kruse) - 2016-04-13 09:48 +0200
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-04-13 06:28 -0400
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 18:36 -0700
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-04-14 22:50 -0400
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 22:09 -0700
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 21:39 -0700
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