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Re: Failures in reasoning

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"Peter Jason" <pj@jostle.com> wrote in message 
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> On Sat, 22 Dec 2018 10:25:01 +1100, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Peter Jason" <pj@jostle.com> wrote in message
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>>> On Fri, 21 Dec 2018 15:16:29 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Peter Jason" <pj@jostle.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:tq6o1ethcps5ni1qr25m61uchncgp3npn9@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Thu, 20 Dec 2018 17:23:23 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Peter Jason" <pj@jostle.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:577m1e564hd64qo9pul24vl3vs68aajn4v@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Dec 2018 14:45:45 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Peter Jason" <pj@jostle.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>news:6pal1etb128k7sml446tgn3ojgv60uffst@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Dec 2018 15:49:57 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many here have probably wondered why some seem to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think in a different way. Well, there's a possible 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> answer.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.economist.com/united-states/2018/12/08/what-psychology-experiments-tell-you-about-why-people-deny-facts
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A prize example is the reasoning of Keynesian economists
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who think endless spending is a path to prosperity.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>That's not what they think.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh fer chrissake....!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Read on, and be chastened.....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1877351_1877350_1877331,00.html
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing to do with that silly shit of yours about Keynesian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> economists.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> More snake-oiling here.....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1847213_1847216_1847197,00.html#
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing to do with that silly shit of yours about Keynesian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> economists.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's called "Paradigm Prioritizing", that is following
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BLINDLY the teaching of past ages, like Darwin, Jesus,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mohammed, Marx, Keynes, Newton, and a billion more.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Keynes never was into endless spending as a path to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prosperity.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The trouble is that the present &
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> future is never exactly like the past.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doesn't need to be. We did in fact do what was necessary
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when the worst recession since the great depression
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> showed up and recovered much more quickly than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we did after the great depression because we did.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have but postponed it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope, the unemployment rate has returned to what it
>>>>>>>>>>>> was before most of the world financial system imploded.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You're so naive.....
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>We'll see...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>><reams of the shit you always end up with
>>>>>>>>>>when you have got done like a fucking dinner,
>>>>>>>>>>as you always are, flushed where it belongs>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The definition of "employment" is very elastic
>>>>>>>>>>> and hardly corresponds to that of before 2000.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Even sillier and more pig ignorant than you
>>>>>>>>>>usually manage, and that's saying something.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> A man working one day a week is "employed".
>>>>>>>>>>> So what?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>So anyone who wants work who
>>>>>>>>>>isnt unemployable can get it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Man in the Street is still up to his nuts in debt,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Because with interest rates so low, that's what makes sense.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This is the sort of thinking a good recession will fix.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>The 2008 recession, the worst since the great depression, didn't.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> groaning under a huge mortgage,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Because with interest rates so low, that's what makes sense.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This is the sort of thinking a good recession will fix.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>The 2008 recession, the worst since the great depression, didn't.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the housing boom is the only game in town.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Even sillier and more pig ignorant than you usually
>>>>>>>>>>>> manage. And the boom has come off for quite a
>>>>>>>>>>>> while now in Sydney, Melburg, Perth and BrizVegas.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It's not dead yet,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>It won't ever be dead, you watch.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> and we'll see if the goons in power will
>>>>>>>>>>> lower interest rates still further to maintain
>>>>>>>>>>> the Boom, AND their investments in it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Even sillier and more pig ignorant than you usually manage.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Bad luck about rising interest rates overseas though.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Ours are already higher than theirs, you pig ignorant clown.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oz wages are spent overseas
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Even sillier and more pig ignorant than you usually manage.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ...uh, it was a little boy who saw the Emperor had no clothes.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Even sillier and more pig ignorant than you usually manage.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and investment income is miniscule.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Even sillier and more pig ignorant than you usually manage.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ...uh, it was a little boy who saw the Emperor had no clothes.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Even sillier and more pig ignorant than you usually manage.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only a recession can alter the spendthrift thinking.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Even sillier and more pig ignorant than you usually manage.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just wait and see.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> We've seen, we didn't even get a recession when
>>>>>>>>>>>> most of the world financial system imploded
>>>>>>>>>>>> spectacularly and NOT ONE retail bank imploded
>>>>>>>>>>>> here or even needed  to be bailed out either.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> A hard rain's gonna fall;
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Fools claimed that in 2008, didn't happen here.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> something wicked this way comes;
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the music's gonna stop; etc.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Only in your pathetic little drug crazed drunken fantasyland.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wake up Oz!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Go back to sleep, stupid.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thrift is the only way, tried and proved.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even sillier than you usually manage, and that's saying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>><reams of the shit you always end up with
>>>>>>>>when you have got done like a fucking dinner,
>>>>>>>>as you always are, flushed where it belongs>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why do I imagine you're up to you ears in debt,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>There you go, face down in the mud, as always.
>>>>>>No debt what so ever to anyone and havent had
>>>>>>any debt what so ever for more than 50 fucking
>>>>>>years and the last of it was only because the NSW
>>>>>>state govt used to flog blocks of land off here
>>>>>>for either cash or payments over 20 years or
>>>>>>something with a derisory interest rate charged
>>>>>>and I was earning far more in the stock market
>>>>>>on that money than the interest rate I paid,
>>>>>>so there was no point in paying it off.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> if not to a bookie then to some property-loans shark?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>There you go, face down in the mud, as always.
>>>>>>I have only ever bet on the horses just once, on
>>>>>>the melbourne cup, when I came here for a job
>>>>>>interview. And I won that bet and got the job too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you think that kicked-upstairs geriatric at
>>>>>>> the Reserve Bank will lower interest rates so
>>>>>>> the goons in Canberra can get your vote?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Unlikely given that they hiked them in
>>>>>>the runup to one federal election which
>>>>>>the coalition won comfortably anyway.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wake up boy!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Go back to sleep, you silly clown.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If I were you I'd get prepared by stocking up on tinned
>>>>>>> fish & bottled water for the looming apocalypse
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed drunken fantasys.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> AND I'd ferret out a fake passport to flee
>>>>>>> when the bailiffs arrive to seize your chattels.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed drunken fantasys.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You have been warned.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>We've all been wanked at by some drug crazed drunken clown, actually.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Beware complacency!  It may be comfortable in your present 
>>>>> state.......
>>>>> ...........but things can change for the worst.
>>>>
>>>>No they can't in my case

<reams of the shit you always end up with
when you have got done like a fucking dinner,
as you always are, flushed where it belongs>
 

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  Re: Failures in reasoning Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> - 2018-12-17 12:47 +1100
    Re: Failures in reasoning "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-12-16 18:25 -0800
    Re: Failures in reasoning "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2018-12-17 15:51 +1100
      Re: Failures in reasoning Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> - 2018-12-18 09:13 +1100
        Re: Failures in reasoning "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2018-12-19 12:16 +1100
          Re: Failures in reasoning Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> - 2018-12-19 12:27 +1100
            Re: Failures in reasoning "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2018-12-19 14:15 +1100
              Re: Failures in reasoning Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> - 2018-12-19 14:56 +1100
                Re: Failures in reasoning "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2018-12-19 15:49 +1100
                Re: Failures in reasoning Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> - 2018-12-20 07:36 +1100
                Re: Failures in reasoning "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-12-19 12:53 -0800
                Re: Failures in reasoning "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2018-12-20 14:45 +1100
                Re: Failures in reasoning Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> - 2018-12-20 15:58 +1100
                Re: Failures in reasoning "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2018-12-20 17:23 +1100
                Re: Failures in reasoning Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> - 2018-12-21 09:50 +1100
                Re: Failures in reasoning "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2018-12-21 15:16 +1100
                Re: Failures in reasoning Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> - 2018-12-22 09:51 +1100
                Re: Failures in reasoning "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2018-12-22 10:25 +1100
                Re: Failures in reasoning Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> - 2018-12-22 10:47 +1100
                Re: Failures in reasoning "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2018-12-22 13:57 +1100
  Re: Failures in reasoning Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-12-16 19:56 -0800
    Re: Failures in reasoning Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2018-12-17 22:22 +1100
  Re: Failures in reasoning mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-12-17 04:51 -0800
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