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Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics

From Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics
Date 2018-05-18 21:10 +0200
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Am 18.05.2018 um 17:33 schrieb Tom Roberts:
> On 5/16/18 11:30 PM, Steve BH wrote:
>> And yet if science holds no truth, the success of technology is a 
>> miracle.
> 
> Not really. We have no idea whether any current scientific theories or 
> models hold any "truth" (in the sense of accurately describing the 
> processes that nature actually uses). And we have no prospect of ever 
> knowing this.

Well, how about my ideas:


https://docs.google.com/present/view?id=dd8jz2tx_3gfzvqgd6

> 
> But we do know that science has produced a series of ever-improving 
> MODELS of the world, and these models are now very accurate in many 
> domains of interest, leading to the technology you think is a "miracle" 
> without "truth". In truth (pun intended), good models are good enough -- 
> which is fortunate for us humans, as that is the best we can ever 
> achieve about the world we inhabit.

If you want models, than it could get a little tough. The reason: we can 
understand processes, which we cannot model.

The best example is weather (but there are other).

> 
>      Humans survive in the world via models of it. 

No. Humans survive because they have shelter, water and something to eat.

Models about the physical world are not really a necessity of life.

>      Think about how
>      you find your bed at night, and you'll realize that you have a
>      mental model of your domicile, and to go to bed you first
>      mentally traverse that model, and then manipulate your body
>      correspondingly. 

This is beyond the level of 'nerd-think', we could see in 'big-bang theory'.



TH

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The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-04-13 15:03 -0400
  The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-13 12:08 -0700
  Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-04-13 12:09 -0700
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          Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-04-14 14:19 -0400
      Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-04-21 16:56 +0200
        Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-04-21 13:43 -0400
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          Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-04-21 19:43 -0500
            Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-04-22 17:40 +0200
              Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-22 09:07 -0700
              Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-04-23 10:47 -0500
                Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-04-26 20:12 +0200
                Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-04-26 12:57 -0700
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          Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics Rusty Willard <wuut@yaiw.wu> - 2018-04-14 13:53 +0000
          Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-04-14 14:14 -0400
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      Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-04-13 20:24 -0700
  Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-04-13 22:51 -0500
    Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 17:26 -0700
  The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-13 21:17 -0700
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  Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-04-14 21:00 +0200
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    Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-04-14 15:28 -0400
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      Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-04-14 22:07 +0200
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      Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-16 21:10 -0700
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